*SatNiteChat

Start: 21:07:24
End: 22:43:26
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, AmosNY, AYWalton, daviss, deannie, Ingrid_Doweary, Khathu, Selma, vkn

Khathu: good evening

3rdthawkins: hey busiest man in genealogy business

Khathu: who?

3rdthawkins: or should I say hardest working the one and only what's up Khathu, how you been? hey daviss

daviss: hello 3rd and khathu!

Khathu: hello daviss

daviss: sorry 3rd I went to shut the front door. How are you?

Khathu: i just identified 45 enslaved ancestors

daviss: Whoa!

Khathu: for a libation ceremont next month

daviss: thats awesome khathu

Khathu: ceremony

3rdthawkins: doing good daviss, thx, had a good week genealogy wise..........that's great Khathu

daviss: where is this celebration to be held khathu?

Khathu: i have only been able to located the 7 slave holding family in central maryland columbia

daviss: well that is awesome in itself Khathu. I am so proud of you

3rdthawkins: see, told you Khathu!

Khathu: thanks i have some brick wals that are driving me crazy me

daviss: Are these the last slaveowners khathu

Khathu: yes

daviss: thats wonderful what are the surnames or care to tell now

Khathu: the individuals (enslaved ancestors) were born between 1787-1860

3rdthawkins: hey AmosNY

daviss: hello AmosNY

AmosNY: Greetings Daviss,Hawkins, Khathu!

Khathu: Hello AmosNY

daviss: 1787 that really goes back were they all in a family setting khathu?

Khathu: no they are on all of my various lines mother and father's side

daviss: ok, well I sure do commend you

Selma: Good eveing everyone

Khathu: Hello Selma

3rdthawkins: hello Selma

daviss: heyyy Selma!

AmosNY: Hi Selma!

daviss: You know khathu, I never did see the Luckey girl anymore and the number she gave me did not work I think she may have went to live with her daughter

Khathu: okay

deannie: Evening all

Khathu: hello deannie

3rdthawkins: hello deannie

daviss: hi deannie

AmosNY: Hi Deannie!

Selma: Evening deannie

deannie: Hi Khathu,3rd,daviss,AmosNY, Selma

daviss: I think her daughter lives back east somewhere. She works for the Gov

Khathu: i have a brick wall that maybe you all can assist or at least provide me some directions in cracking

AmosNY: We can try.

3rdthawkins: yeah, make sure you hit it on the edges :}

daviss: well khathu, you have me best by more than a mile on craaking stuff but I sure will try lol

Khathu: i am trying to located the father of my gg grandmother

AmosNY: When was she born?

Khathu: the only information i have of a possible name is on her sister and her death certificate

AmosNY: and where was she born?

Khathu: she and her sister were both born in Texas in the 1870s

3rdthawkins: I'll let daviss handle Texas

AmosNY: So he was a slave?

Khathu: I am unable to locate either until 1897 and 1898 when they got married i have no information on him outside of what is listed on their death certificate

3rdthawkins: ahh, one of those

AmosNY: Have you tried to Google the surname in Texas?

daviss: name khathu

Khathu: the sister died in 1925 and the informant listed the father's name as Rinzar or Ringar 40 years later when my gg grandmother passed her son listed the father's name as Arrenzo last name Williams on both DC

3rdthawkins: hard name

AmosNY: The names seem similar.

Selma: Who was the informant on the sister's death certificate?

Khathu: I have played around with this name in the census without any luck

AmosNY: Probably Hispanic in origin.

Khathu: A Noah Webster who married my gg grandmother's step daughter

vkn: Howdy yall

deannie: Hi vkn

daviss: what were the daughters names khathu

3rdthawkins: hey vkn

daviss: hello vkn

Khathu: Sarah Ann Williams and Henrietta (Roxie) Williams

AmosNY: Hi VKN!

3rdthawkins: what county was this?

Khathu: Oral history states that they were raised by white people and that Arrenzo or Ringar was Native American but looked white 3rd, I am assuming Smith Co., TX

3rdthawkins: ok

Khathu: A cousin of my grandfather stated that he remember seeing him when he was young

Selma: How many years between the sisters birth

AmosNY: I wonder if they were Catholic. The local parish might have a record.

Khathu: anywhere from 4 to 10 years i tried examining various records that might list parents names with no luck i also played with the various variation of the name

Selma: Evening vkn

Khathu: church records were not kept until the 1950s and even then they were not consistent hello vkn

vkn: A.J. Langouth on BookTV discussing his book "Driven West" Andrew Jackson and the Trail of Tears to the Civil War here at the Atlanta History Center. It is quite good Howdy Khathu

Khathu: so any suggestions on how to move forward on this one

vkn: Langouth was a reporter who covered the Civil Rights Movement

Selma: Thinking So you only see them on their marriage records and census then death records?

3rdthawkins: wish I knew Khathu, I really feel for you, I know exactly how it is

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey everyone.

3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid_Doweary

Selma: Evening Ingrid

AmosNY: Hi Ingrid!

Khathu: the only records i have for both woman are marriage, divorce, death and census records from 1897 onward Hello Ingrid

vkn: Howdy Ingrid 3rd amos daviss deannie selma khathu and Khathu again

Selma: Did they both stay in the same neighborhood, attend the same church after marriage

Khathu: Yes...the community of Hopewell in Smith County and when i wrote down to the church, the pastor gave the letter to my great aunt who knew less than i did

Selma: YOur cousin remembered meeting him..what year was that?

Khathu: i haven't had any luck with churches either the late 20s or early 30s

vkn: What about newspapers khathu

Khathu: now Sarah Ann's daughter named one of her sons Lorenza who was born in 1936 i haven't checked the newspaper in-deth yet

daviss: what was the mothers name khathu

Khathu: their mother's name is listed as unknown on both DC i am assuming she died when they were young since it was reported that they were raised by a white family

Ingrid_Doweary: Seventies, on the day you gave your USCT descendant's presentation, did you leave before seeing the presentation that followed yours?

vkn: Any research of the White family available at Ancestry khathu

3rdthawkins: sound like my grandmother's situation Khathu, good think your's were abused by this white family

Khathu: the story does not provide the name of the white family or any other info

3rdthawkins: oops, Good Thing Your's Weren't Abused by this White Family

Selma: School records?

vkn: ahhhhhh so

Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry, I didn't realize she wasn't here.

Khathu: Smith County only has school records beginning in 1918. and since i am unable to locate them before 1897, I am not sure if they were in Smith County prior to that

3rdthawkins: I think you fooled yourself Ingrid_Doweary with your long name lol

Ingrid_Doweary: Could be 3rd. I've been meaning to relate some startling news I encountered yesterday.

3rdthawkins: yeah, that is tough, it is hard to trace and track people when you can't find them in the two most crucial census, 1870 and 1880. And with 1890 being gone, it makes it 3 times as hard hello AY

AmosNY: Hi Angela!

deannie: Hi AyWalton

vkn: Howdy AYW are you still shovelin snow

Selma: Evening Ay

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY

Selma: Are there Orphan records Khathu

Khathu: Well I have located a Lorenza Williams married to a Mary in Anderson County, Texas I haven't seen any but i will definitely check

Selma: what year did you locate Lorenza and Mary

AYWalton: Good evening all.

vkn: ouchies ayw

Ingrid_Doweary: wb AY

AmosNY: Khathu, Lorenza sounds similar to the other two names.

AYWalton: sorry about that!! was doing too many things at the same time.

3rdthawkins: called multitasking, we know AY :} lol

vkn: I be understanding ayw

AYWalton: plus trying to follow the chaos in Cairo.

AmosNY: Angela, maybe you need a virtual assistant. lol

AYWalton: I could use that, AmosNY!

Khathu: 1880 and 1900

vkn: lol

Ingrid_Doweary: lol

vkn: lol a good one amos

Selma: I figure when the cousin saw him in the 1930's he would have been around 80

AmosNY: I was serious. lol I plan to hire one when I get my real estate investing off the ground.

Ingrid_Doweary: There ya go!. Good Amos.

vkn: deannie how you be?

Selma: Why did you rule that person out Khathu?

deannie: great and you

vkn: olies

Khathu: i guess that was no way to connect him

Selma: Very powerful post on your Native bog Ay

AYWalton: oh you saw it, Selma---glad you liked it.

Khathu: in addition, i figured he may have been to young to have fathered Sarah whose birth years is listed as 1862 and 1872 Lorenza birth is listed as 1850 but he appears to be the best candidate so far

Selma: BRB

deannie: I have to run good nite

AmosNY: Khathu , did you find Sarah in the census of 1870 or perhaps a state census of 1865 or 1866.

3rdthawkins: state census, for Texas? HA!

vkn: Nighters deannie

Khathu: I have not been able to locate Sarah or her sister before the 1900 Texas did not have a state census

AmosNY: Alabama had a state census of 1865 so I thought that Texas might have had one also.

3rdthawkins: Khathu, speaking of the NA ancestry, as I have in my Sanders family, it seems your situation is the same as my Sanders family. I cannot find my them in 1870 or 1880, and there were several children including my great great grandfather. I am thinking they may have been under a different name, and it looks, like my Sanders, they changed their name to a very common one WILLIAMS may have to check into that, definitely am for my own family, I know it's oral history and you have to have documentation, but you have to follow that lead on Native American Ancestry

Khathu: i am not focusing on the NA ancestry

vkn: daviss got a doozie of a Texas query for you. Seeking birth name of Silio changed to Robinson. Mother operated a brothel moved to Chocago about 1920 and operated similarly there :::whew:::

daviss: silio?

Khathu: i am more concerned about locating the family prior to the 1900 Census in any document

AYWalton: was that one of the queries from Essence, vkn?

vkn: Yes AYW

Khathu: that would provide me with any clues to their ancestry

daviss: brothel in Texas made a movie

3rdthawkins: well, you have to look more into that what I am saying Khathu, whatever it is, I know what you are doing, I am doing the same thing, but I am thinking whatever the case may be, they may have had a different name. I'm just saying try something, gosh!

daviss: Best little %*^^house in Texas

AYWalton: lol @daviss!

vkn: Sounds like it daviss

daviss: for real AY

Khathu: 3rd, I never lock or limited my research to just the surname or first names. i keep all options open

AYWalton: that is a wild query, vkn.

daviss: In fact it was in LaGrange

vkn: Deed it is

Ingrid_Doweary: LaGrange, IL-Daviss?

AYWalton: ahhh LGrange----and area somewhat familiar to both us, daviss.

Selma: Was it legal in Texas at the time vkn

daviss: LaGrange Texas

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay-thanks.

3rdthawkins: ok Khahtu

vkn: No knowledge Selma

daviss: http://www.lagrangetourism.com/History/History-The-Chicken-Ranch.html

Selma: YOu gotta find the know it all busy body in town Khathu who knows everyone's business and family history

daviss: I think Dolly parton was in the movie

vkn: Great approach khathu

AYWalton: find a nice old lady sitting on the porch, in the old neighborhood. She will know.

AmosNY: Niters all!

daviss: nite

AYWalton: wow daviss I just looked at that link! The chicken house was something else!

daviss: yep realt famous real

AYWalton: ah that is the place that the &*(&*house in TX was based on!

Selma: I would still look at the Lorenza Williams in 1880 and 1900...Lorenza couldn't be that common a name

AYWalton: I never knew that!

daviss: right AYWalton

Selma: Ingrid ..you had something to share

Khathu: I will Selma

3rdthawkins: well, whatever you do Khathu, hope you find them

Khathu: thanks

Ingrid_Doweary: Not much. Just learned that Vanessa Williams shares the same USCT ancestor of a presenter I listened to last August.

daviss: I've been looking since you mentioned it khathu and its got me stumped

3rdthawkins: yw

daviss: but I will keep looking

Khathu: thanks daviss

3rdthawkins: well, I like to find that out when I see the show Ingrid :}

Khathu: daviss do you remember how i transfered those files to you

AYWalton: is that right, Ingrid! that is really cool!

daviss: all I know khathu is dropbox

Ingrid_Doweary: This ancestor will be featured in the next WDYTYA episode this coming Friday, Feb. 4th.

daviss: I dont know how it works

Khathu: did i upload them to your account?

AYWalton: speaking of which------will we have a special WDYTYA chat next Friday, VKN? it could be fun!

3rdthawkins: yes, let us know in advance, like Monday!!!

Ingrid_Doweary: I recognized the USCT's name, David Carl. You all may appreciate this upcoming episode.

vkn: I would say yes AYWalton

AYWalton: we had a bumper crop when we had it the last time.

Selma: I'll bring the chips and dip

AYWalton: sounds like a plan!!!

daviss: I guess so khathu.. I got dropbox from you lol

Ingrid_Doweary: Sounds like great fun.

vkn: I'll bring the seltzer water

AYWalton: lol

daviss: Its on my computer lol

Khathu: okay....let me work on it tonight

AYWalton: nothing hard for you, huh vkn?

daviss: ok thanks khathu

AYWalton: we can start to mention it probably on Tuesday or Wednesday!

vkn: not with all these meds and counter influence ayw lol

AYWalton: lol

Selma: LOL

daviss: I will be the only one left out of the mix.

AYWalton: I guess not we don't want any serious contraindications!

vkn: you got that right ayw

AYWalton: oh shucks daviss, you can sit in and watch the comments, fly by the screen.

Ingrid_Doweary: It won't air in time for you, Daviss?

daviss: guess I will get a glass of wine and wait and wait

vkn: where you gonna be daviss

daviss: you all get it earlier than me

vkn: ohhhhh thats right

Ingrid_Doweary: You be able to play it back on the internet, I think.

daviss: remember I live on the West Coast with the nutso's from Ariz

AYWalton: but not when it airs I think right after it airs. daviss I thought Phoenix was Mountain---you are Pacific time? oh wow.

vkn: u b funny daviss

daviss: lol You guys will be in bed when I get to see it

Selma: Folks time for me to say Good Nite.. Nite all

daviss: see lol

vkn: lol

3rdthawkins: I will be up with you daviss, I mean you're only an hour behind

vkn: AYW we will test new calendars 2nite

daviss: Lionel Richey will be the other AA won't he ingrid?

Khathu: daviss i think you can assess it now

vkn: Tim Pinnick sent me his schedule for the year. He is BUSY!!!

Ingrid_Doweary: Yeah that's right.

daviss: ok let me peep khathu

Khathu: and look at the files dated 1/16/2011

vkn: Niters y'all

AYWalton: is there a place to go to check, vkn? well I am going to run, folks. take care.

Khathu: good night

daviss: well Ingrid are you volunteering now up to snuff

Ingrid_Doweary: My work hours are somewhat interfering, because my work schedule changes weekly.

daviss: oh ok

Ingrid_Doweary: Currently, I still preparing a couple of Black History Month exhibits for work.

daviss: who are you focusing on

Ingrid_Doweary: I needed to correct the uniform details of my 12" male soldier doll.

daviss: oh wow! you are making it yourself?

Ingrid_Doweary: My husband's ancestral relative-Benjamin Dunson, a Carroll County, MD native who was a member of the USCT 4th Regiment.

daviss: awesome!!

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm just making the pants and the Kepi (civil war non-officer cap).

daviss: Well bless your heart..

Ingrid_Doweary: Thank you. I like to be accurate :}

daviss: I hear ya. you guys in this chat room are amazing i just love coming here

3rdthawkins: lol daviss you're no different

Ingrid_Doweary: Need to set up the 1st exhibit on Tuesday. I'll order the civil war nurse doll then for the 2nd exhibit.

daviss: I'am serious 3rd.. its so much talent and knowledge that I've learned over the years

Ingrid_Doweary: Hear hear I concur with both of you. I'm a bit intimidate about writing though.

3rdthawkins: just saying, it rubbed off on you

daviss: you have talent Ingrid thats for sure

Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks yall. I need some writing lessons.

daviss: well listen you two, I gotta run. I need to go and find Mother Hubbard. I know she is hiding something somewhere

Ingrid_Doweary: Cya Daviss.