Khathu: good evening
3rdthawkins: hey busiest man in genealogy business
3rdthawkins: or should I say hardest working the one and only what's up Khathu, how you been? hey daviss
daviss: hello 3rd and khathu!
Khathu: hello daviss
daviss: sorry 3rd I went to shut the front door. How are you?
Khathu: i just identified 45 enslaved ancestors
Khathu: for a libation ceremont next month
daviss: thats awesome khathu
3rdthawkins: doing good daviss, thx, had a good week genealogy wise..........that's great Khathu
daviss: where is this celebration to be held khathu?
Khathu: i have only been able to located the 7 slave holding family in central maryland columbia
daviss: well that is awesome in itself Khathu. I am so proud of you
3rdthawkins: see, told you Khathu!
Khathu: thanks i have some brick wals that are driving me crazy me
daviss: Are these the last slaveowners khathu
daviss: thats wonderful what are the surnames or care to tell now
Khathu: the individuals (enslaved ancestors) were born between 1787-1860
3rdthawkins: hey AmosNY
daviss: hello AmosNY
AmosNY: Greetings Daviss,Hawkins, Khathu!
Khathu: Hello AmosNY
daviss: 1787 that really goes back were they all in a family setting khathu?
Khathu: no they are on all of my various lines mother and father's side
daviss: ok, well I sure do commend you
Selma: Good eveing everyone
Khathu: Hello Selma
3rdthawkins: hello Selma
daviss: heyyy Selma!
AmosNY: Hi Selma!
daviss: You know khathu, I never did see the Luckey girl anymore and the number she gave me did not work I think she may have went to live with her daughter
deannie: Evening all
Khathu: hello deannie
3rdthawkins: hello deannie
daviss: hi deannie
AmosNY: Hi Deannie!
Selma: Evening deannie
deannie: Hi Khathu,3rd,daviss,AmosNY, Selma
daviss: I think her daughter lives back east somewhere. She works for the Gov
Khathu: i have a brick wall that maybe you all can assist or at least provide me some directions in cracking
AmosNY: We can try.
3rdthawkins: yeah, make sure you hit it on the edges :}
daviss: well khathu, you have me best by more than a mile on craaking stuff but I sure will try lol
Khathu: i am trying to located the father of my gg grandmother
AmosNY: When was she born?
Khathu: the only information i have of a possible name is on her sister and her death certificate
AmosNY: and where was she born?
Khathu: she and her sister were both born in Texas in the 1870s
3rdthawkins: I'll let daviss handle Texas
AmosNY: So he was a slave?
Khathu: I am unable to locate either until 1897 and 1898 when they got married i have no information on him outside of what is listed on their death certificate
3rdthawkins: ahh, one of those
AmosNY: Have you tried to Google the surname in Texas?
daviss: name khathu
Khathu: the sister died in 1925 and the informant listed the father's name as Rinzar or Ringar 40 years later when my gg grandmother passed her son listed the father's name as Arrenzo last name Williams on both DC
3rdthawkins: hard name
AmosNY: The names seem similar.
Selma: Who was the informant on the sister's death certificate?
Khathu: I have played around with this name in the census without any luck
AmosNY: Probably Hispanic in origin.
Khathu: A Noah Webster who married my gg grandmother's step daughter
vkn: Howdy yall
deannie: Hi vkn
daviss: what were the daughters names khathu
3rdthawkins: hey vkn
daviss: hello vkn
Khathu: Sarah Ann Williams and Henrietta (Roxie) Williams
AmosNY: Hi VKN!
3rdthawkins: what county was this?
Khathu: Oral history states that they were raised by white people and that Arrenzo or Ringar was Native American but looked white 3rd, I am assuming Smith Co., TX
Khathu: A cousin of my grandfather stated that he remember seeing him when he was young
Selma: How many years between the sisters birth
AmosNY: I wonder if they were Catholic. The local parish might have a record.
Khathu: anywhere from 4 to 10 years i tried examining various records that might list parents names with no luck i also played with the various variation of the name
Selma: Evening vkn
Khathu: church records were not kept until the 1950s and even then they were not consistent hello vkn
vkn: A.J. Langouth on BookTV discussing his book "Driven West" Andrew Jackson and the Trail of Tears to the Civil War here at the Atlanta History Center. It is quite good Howdy Khathu
Khathu: so any suggestions on how to move forward on this one
vkn: Langouth was a reporter who covered the Civil Rights Movement
Selma: Thinking So you only see them on their marriage records and census then death records?
3rdthawkins: wish I knew Khathu, I really feel for you, I know exactly how it is
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey everyone.
3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid_Doweary
Selma: Evening Ingrid
AmosNY: Hi Ingrid!
Khathu: the only records i have for both woman are marriage, divorce, death and census records from 1897 onward Hello Ingrid
vkn: Howdy Ingrid 3rd amos daviss deannie selma khathu and Khathu again
Selma: Did they both stay in the same neighborhood, attend the same church after marriage
Khathu: Yes...the community of Hopewell in Smith County and when i wrote down to the church, the pastor gave the letter to my great aunt who knew less than i did
Selma: YOur cousin remembered meeting him..what year was that?
Khathu: i haven't had any luck with churches either the late 20s or early 30s
vkn: What about newspapers khathu
Khathu: now Sarah Ann's daughter named one of her sons Lorenza who was born in 1936 i haven't checked the newspaper in-deth yet
daviss: what was the mothers name khathu
Khathu: their mother's name is listed as unknown on both DC i am assuming she died when they were young since it was reported that they were raised by a white family
Ingrid_Doweary: Seventies, on the day you gave your USCT descendant's presentation, did you leave before seeing the presentation that followed yours?
vkn: Any research of the White family available at Ancestry khathu
3rdthawkins: sound like my grandmother's situation Khathu, good think your's were abused by this white family
Khathu: the story does not provide the name of the white family or any other info
3rdthawkins: oops, Good Thing Your's Weren't Abused by this White Family
Selma: School records?
vkn: ahhhhhh so
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry, I didn't realize she wasn't here.
Khathu: Smith County only has school records beginning in 1918. and since i am unable to locate them before 1897, I am not sure if they were in Smith County prior to that
3rdthawkins: I think you fooled yourself Ingrid_Doweary with your long name lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Could be 3rd. I've been meaning to relate some startling news I encountered yesterday.
3rdthawkins: yeah, that is tough, it is hard to trace and track people when you can't find them in the two most crucial census, 1870 and 1880. And with 1890 being gone, it makes it 3 times as hard hello AY
AmosNY: Hi Angela!
deannie: Hi AyWalton
vkn: Howdy AYW are you still shovelin snow
Selma: Evening Ay
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY
Selma: Are there Orphan records Khathu
Khathu: Well I have located a Lorenza Williams married to a Mary in Anderson County, Texas I haven't seen any but i will definitely check
Selma: what year did you locate Lorenza and Mary
AYWalton: Good evening all.
vkn: ouchies ayw
Ingrid_Doweary: wb AY
AmosNY: Khathu, Lorenza sounds similar to the other two names.
AYWalton: sorry about that!! was doing too many things at the same time.
3rdthawkins: called multitasking, we know AY :} lol
vkn: I be understanding ayw
AYWalton: plus trying to follow the chaos in Cairo.
AmosNY: Angela, maybe you need a virtual assistant. lol
AYWalton: I could use that, AmosNY!
Khathu: 1880 and 1900
vkn: lol a good one amos
Selma: I figure when the cousin saw him in the 1930's he would have been around 80
AmosNY: I was serious. lol I plan to hire one when I get my real estate investing off the ground.
Ingrid_Doweary: There ya go!. Good Amos.
vkn: deannie how you be?
Selma: Why did you rule that person out Khathu?
deannie: great and you
Khathu: i guess that was no way to connect him
Selma: Very powerful post on your Native bog Ay
AYWalton: oh you saw it, Selma---glad you liked it.
Khathu: in addition, i figured he may have been to young to have fathered Sarah whose birth years is listed as 1862 and 1872 Lorenza birth is listed as 1850 but he appears to be the best candidate so far
deannie: I have to run good nite
AmosNY: Khathu , did you find Sarah in the census of 1870 or perhaps a state census of 1865 or 1866.
3rdthawkins: state census, for Texas? HA!
vkn: Nighters deannie
Khathu: I have not been able to locate Sarah or her sister before the 1900 Texas did not have a state census
AmosNY: Alabama had a state census of 1865 so I thought that Texas might have had one also.
3rdthawkins: Khathu, speaking of the NA ancestry, as I have in my Sanders family, it seems your situation is the same as my Sanders family. I cannot find my them in 1870 or 1880, and there were several children including my great great grandfather. I am thinking they may have been under a different name, and it looks, like my Sanders, they changed their name to a very common one WILLIAMS may have to check into that, definitely am for my own family, I know it's oral history and you have to have documentation, but you have to follow that lead on Native American Ancestry
Khathu: i am not focusing on the NA ancestry
vkn: daviss got a doozie of a Texas query for you. Seeking birth name of Silio changed to Robinson. Mother operated a brothel moved to Chocago about 1920 and operated similarly there :::whew:::
Khathu: i am more concerned about locating the family prior to the 1900 Census in any document
AYWalton: was that one of the queries from Essence, vkn?
vkn: Yes AYW
Khathu: that would provide me with any clues to their ancestry
daviss: brothel in Texas made a movie
3rdthawkins: well, you have to look more into that what I am saying Khathu, whatever it is, I know what you are doing, I am doing the same thing, but I am thinking whatever the case may be, they may have had a different name. I'm just saying try something, gosh!
daviss: Best little %*^^house in Texas
AYWalton: lol @daviss!
vkn: Sounds like it daviss
daviss: for real AY
Khathu: 3rd, I never lock or limited my research to just the surname or first names. i keep all options open
AYWalton: that is a wild query, vkn.
daviss: In fact it was in LaGrange
vkn: Deed it is
Ingrid_Doweary: LaGrange, IL-Daviss?
AYWalton: ahhh LGrange----and area somewhat familiar to both us, daviss.
Selma: Was it legal in Texas at the time vkn
daviss: LaGrange Texas
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay-thanks.
3rdthawkins: ok Khahtu
vkn: No knowledge Selma
Selma: YOu gotta find the know it all busy body in town Khathu who knows everyone's business and family history
daviss: I think Dolly parton was in the movie
vkn: Great approach khathu
AYWalton: find a nice old lady sitting on the porch, in the old neighborhood. She will know.
AmosNY: Niters all!
AYWalton: wow daviss I just looked at that link! The chicken house was something else!
daviss: yep realt famous real
AYWalton: ah that is the place that the &*(&*house in TX was based on!
Selma: I would still look at the Lorenza Williams in 1880 and 1900...Lorenza couldn't be that common a name
AYWalton: I never knew that!
daviss: right AYWalton
Selma: Ingrid ..you had something to share
Khathu: I will Selma
3rdthawkins: well, whatever you do Khathu, hope you find them
Ingrid_Doweary: Not much. Just learned that Vanessa Williams shares the same USCT ancestor of a presenter I listened to last August.
daviss: I've been looking since you mentioned it khathu and its got me stumped
daviss: but I will keep looking
Khathu: thanks daviss
3rdthawkins: well, I like to find that out when I see the show Ingrid :}
Khathu: daviss do you remember how i transfered those files to you
AYWalton: is that right, Ingrid! that is really cool!
daviss: all I know khathu is dropbox
Ingrid_Doweary: This ancestor will be featured in the next WDYTYA episode this coming Friday, Feb. 4th.
daviss: I dont know how it works
Khathu: did i upload them to your account?
AYWalton: speaking of which------will we have a special WDYTYA chat next Friday, VKN? it could be fun!
3rdthawkins: yes, let us know in advance, like Monday!!!
Ingrid_Doweary: I recognized the USCT's name, David Carl. You all may appreciate this upcoming episode.
vkn: I would say yes AYWalton
AYWalton: we had a bumper crop when we had it the last time.
Selma: I'll bring the chips and dip
AYWalton: sounds like a plan!!!
daviss: I guess so khathu.. I got dropbox from you lol
Ingrid_Doweary: Sounds like great fun.
vkn: I'll bring the seltzer water
daviss: Its on my computer lol
Khathu: okay....let me work on it tonight
AYWalton: nothing hard for you, huh vkn?
daviss: ok thanks khathu
AYWalton: we can start to mention it probably on Tuesday or Wednesday!
vkn: not with all these meds and counter influence ayw lol
daviss: I will be the only one left out of the mix.
AYWalton: I guess not we don't want any serious contraindications!
vkn: you got that right ayw
AYWalton: oh shucks daviss, you can sit in and watch the comments, fly by the screen.
Ingrid_Doweary: It won't air in time for you, Daviss?
daviss: guess I will get a glass of wine and wait and wait
vkn: where you gonna be daviss
daviss: you all get it earlier than me
vkn: ohhhhh thats right
Ingrid_Doweary: You be able to play it back on the internet, I think.
daviss: remember I live on the West Coast with the nutso's from Ariz
AYWalton: but not when it airs I think right after it airs. daviss I thought Phoenix was Mountain---you are Pacific time? oh wow.
vkn: u b funny daviss
daviss: lol You guys will be in bed when I get to see it
Selma: Folks time for me to say Good Nite.. Nite all
daviss: see lol
3rdthawkins: I will be up with you daviss, I mean you're only an hour behind
vkn: AYW we will test new calendars 2nite
daviss: Lionel Richey will be the other AA won't he ingrid?
Khathu: daviss i think you can assess it now
vkn: Tim Pinnick sent me his schedule for the year. He is BUSY!!!
Ingrid_Doweary: Yeah that's right.
daviss: ok let me peep khathu
Khathu: and look at the files dated 1/16/2011
vkn: Niters y'all
AYWalton: is there a place to go to check, vkn? well I am going to run, folks. take care.
Khathu: good night
daviss: well Ingrid are you volunteering now up to snuff
Ingrid_Doweary: My work hours are somewhat interfering, because my work schedule changes weekly.
daviss: oh ok
Ingrid_Doweary: Currently, I still preparing a couple of Black History Month exhibits for work.
daviss: who are you focusing on
Ingrid_Doweary: I needed to correct the uniform details of my 12" male soldier doll.
daviss: oh wow! you are making it yourself?
Ingrid_Doweary: My husband's ancestral relative-Benjamin Dunson, a Carroll County, MD native who was a member of the USCT 4th Regiment.
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm just making the pants and the Kepi (civil war non-officer cap).
daviss: Well bless your heart..
Ingrid_Doweary: Thank you. I like to be accurate :}
daviss: I hear ya. you guys in this chat room are amazing i just love coming here
3rdthawkins: lol daviss you're no different
Ingrid_Doweary: Need to set up the 1st exhibit on Tuesday. I'll order the civil war nurse doll then for the 2nd exhibit.
daviss: I'am serious 3rd.. its so much talent and knowledge that I've learned over the years
Ingrid_Doweary: Hear hear I concur with both of you. I'm a bit intimidate about writing though.
3rdthawkins: just saying, it rubbed off on you
daviss: you have talent Ingrid thats for sure
Ingrid_Doweary: Thanks yall. I need some writing lessons.
daviss: well listen you two, I gotta run. I need to go and find Mother Hubbard. I know she is hiding something somewhere
Ingrid_Doweary: Cya Daviss.