*SatNiteChat

Start: 21:00:11
End: 23:02:50
Chatters: 3rdthawkins, alt, AYWalton, daviss, deannie, di, freeaainnc, Ingrid_Doweary, jhonora, Khathu, rcs, ryan, Selma, STG

3rdthawkins: hey jhonora hey di

jhonora: Hello 3rdthawkins and di

3rdthawkins: hey ryan

ryan: hey all...

3rdthawkins: hey alt

alt: hello 3rdthawkins, di, jhonora & ryan .. how is everyone this evening?

3rdthawkins: doing good alt

ryan: hey alt

alt: what's new with y'all in the world of genealogy?

3rdthawkins: nothing, been just reading, and trying to do a little more searching/researching hello Khathu

Khathu: evening everyone

3rdthawkins: hey Selma

alt: hello khathu, how did your presentation go?

Selma: good evening everyone

Khathu: i thought the chat started at 9:30pm

alt: Selma, how are ya?

Selma: Doing Ok..and you

Khathu: alt the presentation went well. i received raved reviewed

alt: C-o-l-d !!!!!!!

Selma: Yes, well its cold here too

deannie: Evening All

Khathu: AYWalton was tweeting doing my session

alt: Hello deannie & rcs

3rdthawkins: only for those who haven't been here when it changed Khathu :} :} :p

Selma: evening deannie and rcs

rcs: hello all

3rdthawkins: hey rcs and deannie

Selma: Glad to hear that Khathu

alt: glad to hear it went well Khathu

Selma: Oops haven't checked my tweets

Khathu: The Baltimore Chapter of AAHGS has asked me to presented at one of their meetings

deannie: Chi-Town is a little cold...we BEARS ar use to a little cold weather

alt: wonderful!!!! you're officially on the 'circuit' now.

ryan: Go Bears Deanie (Greetings from Schaumburg)

3rdthawkins: oh, snuck that in there deannie lol

deannie: Hooray

alt: last game tomorrow, huh deannie LOL lOL LOL & ducking LOL

deannie: but we have tomorrow....

ryan: No - Bears goin to the Superbowl

3rdthawkins: yeah, to watch the Steelers and Packers play

ryan: Plus - We get to knock green bay out

Khathu: i guess i will make my rounds alt

alt: oh that was cold deannie, for those of us whose teams are out of it.

Selma: Have to bring you here to Ole Virginny Khathu..

deannie: I'm making Chili Willie soup.....good eating...keeping the fans warm

3rdthawkins: your teams alt, more ways than One

Khathu: that will be nice. i have two case studies from the VA

alt: mine and yours 3rdthawkins

Khathu: i am ready to take this show on the road

3rdthawkins: yeah, you're right, let me quit talking

Selma: VGS has announced their spring conference.. Researching Confederate Records

Khathu: what are consider confederate records?

alt: good for you Khathu

deannie: I was looking NBC site and that the 2nd season of "Who do you think you are?...will be back on Feb 4, 2011.....but I did not see a time

Selma: Let me see if I can find....

ryan: cool deanie, I loved that show!

3rdthawkins: yes, I got that memo on Facebook deannie I "like" them on FB, so I get updates, wanted to post it on the boards but did not

Selma: Session on Southern Claims commission..and Confederate records at National Archives..

Khathu: okay....

alt: Confederate, primarily military records, huh Selma?

3rdthawkins: what about employment records????

Selma: Will send you the brochure when I get it

Khathu: that what it appears to be alt

alt: Confederate employment records?

Selma: Here is a link to the conference brochure http://www.vgs.org/

Khathu: when will people realize that the willie lynch letters are real

rcs: Souther claims commission was a place to claim money if your property had been damaged/lost in the war

Selma: The link is at that page.

alt: okay Selma thanks

3rdthawkins: sure alt

Khathu: i meant not real

Selma: rcs you are in St. Louis

rcs: If you could prove you were not actively working against the union, you could claim damages and maybe get reimbursed Yes I am

ryan: cool RCS (STL is the next best thing to the Chi)

rcs: Of course they had to file lots of paper work

Selma: First time I heard about the Southern Claims commission Reginald Washington did a presentation at the NGS in Richmond in the 1990's

ryan: RCS - You been to the military archive there ?

alt: Aren't those records part of the Heritage Quest package?

rcs: No I have not

3rdthawkins: you mean, I spent all this time sending request for military records for my grandpa 4 hours away when I could have just had rcs to go up there :} just kiddn' wit u

ryan: that place would be off the chain, (with records) dont ya think?

Selma: Like pension records Southern Claims records have info on other folks

rcs: Cynthia White, a regular on the message boards, has She has posted about it

ryan: my uncle (fathers brother) is in Jefferson Barracks

rcs: Jefferson Barracks is HUGE

ryan: yea.. my aunt went there also with husband back in april

rcs: Ruth Ann Hagerman at the St Louis County Library is an expert on Southern Claims

3rdthawkins: really hey Ingrid-Doweary

rcs: Call her up and chat -- in the special collections/genealogy

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey everybody!

deannie: I going to st louis, mo for the conference and I want go the library...I will try to get there

alt: Would people of color be filing claims with the Southern Claims Comm. ?

Selma: Evening Ingrid Yes alt

alt: Hello Ingrid

rcs: St Louis County Library on Lindbergh -- staff is friendly and helpful

Selma: Reginald also did a presentation on AAHGS specifically on that subject too

alt: Southern 'people of color' property owners Selma?

ryan: rcs, my folks are around mlk/union south of natural bridge

rcs: Are you there too?

ryan: no - I'm in chicago

Selma: yes alt

rcs: I am on Natural Bridge daily -- teaching at an ELS program on UMSL campus

alt: that's interesting Selma.

Ingrid_Doweary: Ryan arent you in Chicago also?

Selma: I will look for his handout its here somewhere

ryan: yes ingrid.. but lots of family in STL

Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I meant RCS.

rcs: MLK & Union is a pretty tough section of town

Ingrid_Doweary: Ryan, I got a 1st cousin and an aunt in STL.

AYWalton: good evening all.

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY!

deannie: Hi Aywalton

jhonora: Hey AYWalton!

3rdthawkins: hello AY

AYWalton: hello everyone!

Selma: Evening AY

ryan: yes it is.... very tough over there rcs..

AYWalton: hi 3rd

3rdthawkins: MLK seem to be tough everywhere

AYWalton: hey there alt, deannine, Ingrid, rcs, ryan, Ms. Selma!

alt: Selma, do you have any information on FPOC marriages in VA during the early to mid 1800's? any restrictions?

rcs: I live on the near south side of St Louis --

AYWalton: hey hey hey, it's honoray!

ryan: my cousin Peggy Ryan, was alderman over there many years

AYWalton: ah there's Khathu.

3rdthawkins: my mother's stepfather still have family in St. Louis, I believe

Selma: You do find them alt...

AYWalton: he gave a good presentation today!

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Jhonora

jhonora: Hey Ingrid

Selma: I wouldn't say you find a lot considering the number of folks.. but you do find them,

Khathu: i'm back

Ingrid_Doweary: wb Khathu

AYWalton: howdy Khathu!

alt: Were FPOC marriages in VA the usual, normal marriage situation Selma.. recorded in the county courthouses?

AYWalton: Good job today at your presentation!

ryan: ok rcs (I'm a little less familiar with that part of town than that I70 corridor)

Khathu: Thanks

Selma: Yes, you find them in the courthouses, but considering the number of FB's in VA...not as many as you would expect

Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I missed it. I'm sure your presentation was sterling, Khathu.

AYWalton: I think everyone enjoyed it, Khathu. he did a good job! and everyone enjoyed it, for sure.

freeaainnc: hi all!

Khathu: a lot of people found the session very helpful

AYWalton: howdy free! you did good.

alt: Selma, I'm asking because of the Essex Co., VA posting on AfriGeneas on the Bird-Johnson families.

AYWalton: I will try to get my blog up about it tonight or tomorrow.

Selma: I saw that alt...

alt: hello freeaainnc

Selma: There is a free Negro Register for Essex..in two parts, the first part is in a book on Essex I believe the people the person posted on would have been in the 1st part which is not included I Mean the second part was in the book

alt: okay... and if I remember correctly there was legislation in Essex, Dinwiddie Counties to remove FPOC form those counties ca 1830's.

Ingrid_Doweary: Got a episode of "Treme" playing in the background.

Khathu: the presentation is the outline for my book

Ingrid_Doweary: Your book, Khathu? What's the title so I can locate it.

Selma: That was legislation in all VA counties, following Nat Turner

Khathu: no title yet but it will focus on slave era search

Selma: Most of em didn't go anywhere

alt: right Selma,

freeaainnc: right selma, but they didn't succeed with getting rid of all fpoc in va

Khathu: with several case studies have a great evening everyone.

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, please let me know when it's released.

Khathu: i need to go help a neighbor

Ingrid_Doweary: Take Care, Khathu

Selma: But they made it more unpleasant then it was before

alt: freeaainnc, were there restrictions on FPOC marriages in NC being recorded as 'legal' in NC in the early to mid 1800's?

freeaainnc: of course and in NC too no alt

Selma: Jhonora..someone just sent me the book American Uprising on the slave revolt in New Orleans

freeaainnc: there were no restrictions on marriages, just who they could do business with, purchasing guns, migration in/out of state

alt: so FPOC marraiges in NC are recorded in the county records of NC for those early periods freeaainnc?

freeaainnc: right alt

alt: okay freeaainnc, thanks

freeaainnc: and they were not segregated from white records either until after the EP

Selma: In the records prior to emancipation are they identified by race?

freeaainnc: sometimes but not usually and that is true of all records before EP periodically you will see "colored" on a record, but not usually and it seems to depend on the county too

alt: okay, like in Ohio they are records in the marriage logs, but here they are 'marked' as being black, colored, stc. to distinguish them from the other marriages.

AYWalton: brb

freeaainnc: not usually in NC until 1860s

alt: Selma, I'm trying to figure out how to respond to the Bird-Johnson situation of why they might not find a 'formally' recorded marriage record in VA for that period 1840-1850

AYWalton: back

Selma: Just tell em cause they were "colored"..that ain't hard AY...I have an Osage in Oklahoma question for you

alt: yes, but was that because of FPOC marriges not being legal & binding in VA at tha time?

freeaainnc: well, alt, in NC specifically (don't know about VA), even if they did have a formally recorded wedding, not all the marriage bonds still exist

Selma: No they can be found alt...and they were legal..

freeaainnc: maybe talk to Paul about that alt

Selma: There is an Essex County historical society..

alt: okay Selma.. "that horse is dead" LOL LOL

3rdthawkins: alt, have you heard of the Philanthropist in Cincinnati??

alt: Newspaper?

3rdthawkins: weekly publication

alt: who was the Editor 3rdthawkins & the time paeriod? period

3rdthawkins: started by James G. Birney in 1836

rcs: Deannie .... are you on facebook?

alt: Is he the one with a fellow named Conklin who had their presses thrown into the Ohio River?

3rdthawkins: was an abolitionist

Selma: Alt..there is an Albert E. BYRD Mulatto..no age given registered May 21, 1849 in the Register

deannie: yes....

Ingrid_Doweary: Are you, rcs?

Selma: Who was looking for Vessels..here lately

3rdthawkins: he is the guy the school in D.C. was named after, Birney Elementary school, I attended that school, thought you may have heard of him or seen him through your research

rcs: yes

Selma: AY..are there any records for the Osage in Oklahoma?

alt: I know of the newspaper 3rdthawkins

rcs: rcsthor or richard Schaefer

3rdthawkins: ok alt

AYWalton: there are some Osage documents---not tons though.

Selma: Where are they located..someone looking circa 1895 - 1930 time frame

Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay. I'm on there also. I guess you know that already.

rcs: I see Art

AYWalton: who is researching Osage Selma?

rcs: And numerous other genealogy folks

alt: 3rdthawkins, Birney was an abolitionist contemporary of the Beecher family in Cincinnati... from the Harriet Beecher Stowe.

AYWalton: howdy daviss!

daviss: Hello folks!

alt: hello daviss

3rdthawkins: hey daviss

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss!

3rdthawkins: ahh, ok alt

AYWalton: how's it going, daviss?

3rdthawkins: wow

Ingrid_Doweary: Wow Alt.

AYWalton: did you get over to Mesa?

3rdthawkins: I never knew who he was until I read the history of the school on Facebook, so I thought I would look him up, very interesting

Selma: Hi daviss...Hi STG

AYWalton: hello STG

alt: Wow!!!!! Here is stg !!!!!!

3rdthawkins: hello STG

rcs: I have a Harriet Beecher Stowe question!

STG: hi

daviss: no AYWalton I did not. I did not get back from the mountains until late

3rdthawkins: Begin your Quest-ION RCS

rcs: How many of you have read uNCLE tOM'S cABIN

daviss: hi STG!

3rdthawkins: not I

Ingrid_Doweary: I learned through some founders day history that Mytilda Miner was good friends with Harriet Beecher Stowe. Minor founded a "normal" school for

alt: couple of times rcs

rcs: Everyone talks about it --- but it is hard to find many in the under 40 range who have read it

Ingrid_Doweary: 'colored' girls, a predecessor institution of the University of the District of Columbia where I work.

3rdthawkins: and you know, that is something rcs, it would be good to read probably, because a lot of young folks don't know what Uncle Tom is/was all about and what it refers to, but they are quick to point out someone/call someone an Uncle Tom I mean, I'm uncle Tom because that is my name, but....

Ingrid_Doweary: RCS. I've read it about 5 times, especially after seeing a film adaption starring Avery Brooks.

alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary, was Matilda Minor a lady of color?

rcs: It is a good book and worthy of rereading several times -- but I get dramatic eye-rolls when I suggest it to HS students

3rdthawkins: my dad said he kind of looked at his own father as an uncle Tom....but I think his definition of it is off

alt: which is ridiculous 3rdthawkins, if they have any understanding of the character and who Josiah Henson was and what he did.

3rdthawkins: I've only heard about it, have not got a chance to read it, perhaps I'll purchase the book one of these days and take the time to read it, I know it's something I would rather have sittin' around to pick up whenever, instead of gettin' it from the library

alt: it's probably online 3rdthawkins

freeaainnc: lol 3rd about being Uncle Tom b/c that is ur name

3rdthawkins: that's what I was wondering alt, could look it up

Ingrid_Doweary: No, Myrtilla Miner was an anglo. Here's a link, http://www.udc.edu/welcome/history.htm

daviss: art wasnt Henson AME

alt: okay thanks Ingrid_Doweary, I asked because there are a lot of AA Minor's who were FPOC's and many were located here in Ohio from the 1820's forward.

Ingrid_Doweary: Here's another link regarding her, Alt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrtilla_Miner

Selma: How have you been STG..haven't see you in awhile

rcs: There were AA Minors in Mississippi too

freeaainnc: alt are u talking about the book Uncle Tom's Cabin?

3rdthawkins: interesting and good history Ingrid_Doweary

alt: Probably BME daviss .... after he settled in Canada

rcs: descendants came to St Louis

Ingrid_Doweary: Hey STG, I missed you coming in.

3rdthawkins: yeah, Seventies Soulchild is looking for Minors in Mississippi

daviss: ok alt

Ingrid_Doweary: I misspelled her name it's Miner.

deannie: Minors is on of the surnames of Janice Forte' of AAGHSC

rcs: I believe the ones I researched were in Sunflower County or near Belzoni...I'll have to check notes

deannie: My family is form Bolivar county,Ms

alt: the one's who settled here are from the VA/NC areas around north hamption NC & southampton VA.

3rdthawkins: I know white people didn't like blacks who tried to open a school or something and was successful, I know it burnt them badly inside when one of their own sought to establish an institution to help Blacks

rcs: I did most of my research in the northeast corner -- Monroe, Chickasaw, noxubee counties

Ingrid_Doweary: Sunflower county, MS? Yeah, 3rd. Check out the history behind Nannie Helen Burrough and her training institution for 'colored' girls.

3rdthawkins: I saw that name Ingrid_Doweary that's a street in or near the Deanwood neighborhood where my grandparents lived in D.C.

rcs: OK the Minor family I have was in Grenada Co, MS

3rdthawkins: I know Seventies is researching in Grenada, rcs, not sure if it's Minor's though

daviss: my great aunt is named after her Ingrid Nannie Burroughs Daviss

rcs: Celia MInor marries Joseph Allen abt 1866 several children came to St Louis

deannie: I do not know where Janice's family is from but I know her research is in alabama

freeaainnc: bye folks, I need to go

rcs: One of the younger sons was born in Belzoni, Humphreys Co, MS

alt: I believe the NC Minor's were Quakers and the families split over slavery along with the Quaker religion .. some retained slaves and other's manunmitted their slaves and moved them out of the South.

deannie: Humphreys co,ms want city/town does it cover

3rdthawkins: her's is in Adams County rcs http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumc/index.cgi/page/1/md/read/id/33286/sbj/minor-duncan/ but was first name

rcs: Yes, I see that

Ingrid_Doweary: Check that link out, 3rd. N.H.Burroughs also showed up in the Washington Afro-American Newspaper in the 1920s and 1930s. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awmss5/afro_amer_schools.html

3rdthawkins: ok

Selma: Time for me to go folks..good night.

alt: nite Selma

daviss: nite sel

3rdthawkins: wow Ingrid, so she died in 1961, she was living and a comtemporary of my grandparents when they were living in D.C. near the street that was named after her, apparently before it was named in her honor

alt: it is getting late... I"m outa here too ... deannie GO BEARS!!!!!!

deannie: ditto

3rdthawkins: nite alt

AYWalton: everyone have a great evening.

daviss: alt nite

deannie: it a nite also....

3rdthawkins: where my folks were living in the 1950s Ingrid http://tinyurl.com/4dvb768

daviss: well nite nite

Ingrid_Doweary: I didn't realize 3rd that the Miner Elementary School's Glee Club visited the 1st Lady in the White House last year. http://tinyurl.com/4hp3qra Sharing your ancestral atlas are you, 3rd?

3rdthawkins: hmm, that is intersting Ingrid............. yes

Ingrid_Doweary: http://tinyurl.com/4hp3qra

3rdthawkins: hmm, wow, that's cool

Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed. See the look on one of the girl's face?

3rdthawkins: yep lol

rcs: goodnight all

Ingrid_Doweary: :}

3rdthawkins: it's just crazy all of these AA achievements around my grandparents, and they wanted to be anything but....

Ingrid_Doweary: Yeah, puzzling isn't it?

3rdthawkins: of course, I'm thinking about all of these things in terms of and with my grandparents around around-in mind

di: hi all----having tech trouble this evenin

Ingrid_Doweary: Calls for a lot of in-depth consideration, 3rd? Glad you joined us, Di.

3rdthawkins: ok, I see, she was black Ingrid..........yes Ingrid, wondering what they could have been thinking when they hear of all these great black men and women. I know my dad told me his father never spoke of Martin Luther King

Ingrid_Doweary: I'm sorry. Who were you referring to 3rd?

3rdthawkins: was speaking of my grandparents Ingrid_Doweary and just stating that my own dad was saying his father (who is my grandfather) did not speak about MLK oops, Nannie Helen Burroughs Ingrid, sorry reading her bio on wikipedia

Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, I'm clear now. We on the same page now. So who did your grandfather speak of since he didn't speak of MLK.

3rdthawkins: no one, I guess, I asked my father that because of MLK holiday last week. Doesn't seem as if he was moved by the Civil Rights Movement and everything that was going on for black equality he was stuck on the fact, or idea, that you have to be white to be successful, that's something,, sadly and unfortunately, got implanted into his mind at some point on his life he did not see it any other way, it appears and could not see it any other way

Ingrid_Doweary: So which white prominent did he admire?

3rdthawkins: he was definitely a casualty not sure of anyone particular Ingrid_Doweary, he was just obsessed with being white, period! he wanted to give the appearance of being white, at all cost.

Ingrid_Doweary: I've heard of a number of individuals with the same mindset. Even a few in my family as well. What's the good word, Di?

di: nothing much

Ingrid_Doweary: Any successful discoveries with your research, Di? Sorry you're have technical difficulties. Hopefully they're when next me meet. Signing off everyone. Good night.

3rdthawkins: so, what's up di

di: nothing much, still daily multitasking!, trying to find show for my mom to exhibit at in the spring and summer,

3rdthawkins: oh, ok, gonna go, have a good nite