3rdthawkins: hey jhonora hey di
jhonora: Hello 3rdthawkins and di
3rdthawkins: hey ryan
ryan: hey all...
3rdthawkins: hey alt
alt: hello 3rdthawkins, di, jhonora & ryan .. how is everyone this evening?
3rdthawkins: doing good alt
ryan: hey alt
alt: what's new with y'all in the world of genealogy?
3rdthawkins: nothing, been just reading, and trying to do a little more searching/researching hello Khathu
Khathu: evening everyone
3rdthawkins: hey Selma
alt: hello khathu, how did your presentation go?
Selma: good evening everyone
Khathu: i thought the chat started at 9:30pm
alt: Selma, how are ya?
Selma: Doing Ok..and you
Khathu: alt the presentation went well. i received raved reviewed
alt: C-o-l-d !!!!!!!
Selma: Yes, well its cold here too
deannie: Evening All
Khathu: AYWalton was tweeting doing my session
alt: Hello deannie & rcs
3rdthawkins: only for those who haven't been here when it changed Khathu :} :} :p
Selma: evening deannie and rcs
rcs: hello all
3rdthawkins: hey rcs and deannie
Selma: Glad to hear that Khathu
alt: glad to hear it went well Khathu
Selma: Oops haven't checked my tweets
Khathu: The Baltimore Chapter of AAHGS has asked me to presented at one of their meetings
deannie: Chi-Town is a little cold...we BEARS ar use to a little cold weather
alt: wonderful!!!! you're officially on the 'circuit' now.
ryan: Go Bears Deanie (Greetings from Schaumburg)
3rdthawkins: oh, snuck that in there deannie lol
alt: last game tomorrow, huh deannie LOL lOL LOL & ducking LOL
deannie: but we have tomorrow....
ryan: No - Bears goin to the Superbowl
3rdthawkins: yeah, to watch the Steelers and Packers play
ryan: Plus - We get to knock green bay out
Khathu: i guess i will make my rounds alt
alt: oh that was cold deannie, for those of us whose teams are out of it.
Selma: Have to bring you here to Ole Virginny Khathu..
deannie: I'm making Chili Willie soup.....good eating...keeping the fans warm
3rdthawkins: your teams alt, more ways than One
Khathu: that will be nice. i have two case studies from the VA
alt: mine and yours 3rdthawkins
Khathu: i am ready to take this show on the road
3rdthawkins: yeah, you're right, let me quit talking
Selma: VGS has announced their spring conference.. Researching Confederate Records
Khathu: what are consider confederate records?
alt: good for you Khathu
deannie: I was looking NBC site and that the 2nd season of "Who do you think you are?...will be back on Feb 4, 2011.....but I did not see a time
Selma: Let me see if I can find....
ryan: cool deanie, I loved that show!
3rdthawkins: yes, I got that memo on Facebook deannie I "like" them on FB, so I get updates, wanted to post it on the boards but did not
Selma: Session on Southern Claims commission..and Confederate records at National Archives..
alt: Confederate, primarily military records, huh Selma?
3rdthawkins: what about employment records????
Selma: Will send you the brochure when I get it
Khathu: that what it appears to be alt
alt: Confederate employment records?
Selma: Here is a link to the conference brochure http://www.vgs.org/
Khathu: when will people realize that the willie lynch letters are real
rcs: Souther claims commission was a place to claim money if your property had been damaged/lost in the war
Selma: The link is at that page.
alt: okay Selma thanks
3rdthawkins: sure alt
Khathu: i meant not real
Selma: rcs you are in St. Louis
rcs: If you could prove you were not actively working against the union, you could claim damages and maybe get reimbursed Yes I am
ryan: cool RCS (STL is the next best thing to the Chi)
rcs: Of course they had to file lots of paper work
Selma: First time I heard about the Southern Claims commission Reginald Washington did a presentation at the NGS in Richmond in the 1990's
ryan: RCS - You been to the military archive there ?
alt: Aren't those records part of the Heritage Quest package?
rcs: No I have not
3rdthawkins: you mean, I spent all this time sending request for military records for my grandpa 4 hours away when I could have just had rcs to go up there :} just kiddn' wit u
ryan: that place would be off the chain, (with records) dont ya think?
Selma: Like pension records Southern Claims records have info on other folks
rcs: Cynthia White, a regular on the message boards, has She has posted about it
ryan: my uncle (fathers brother) is in Jefferson Barracks
rcs: Jefferson Barracks is HUGE
ryan: yea.. my aunt went there also with husband back in april
rcs: Ruth Ann Hagerman at the St Louis County Library is an expert on Southern Claims
3rdthawkins: really hey Ingrid-Doweary
rcs: Call her up and chat -- in the special collections/genealogy
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey everybody!
deannie: I going to st louis, mo for the conference and I want go the library...I will try to get there
alt: Would people of color be filing claims with the Southern Claims Comm. ?
Selma: Evening Ingrid Yes alt
alt: Hello Ingrid
rcs: St Louis County Library on Lindbergh -- staff is friendly and helpful
Selma: Reginald also did a presentation on AAHGS specifically on that subject too
alt: Southern 'people of color' property owners Selma?
ryan: rcs, my folks are around mlk/union south of natural bridge
rcs: Are you there too?
ryan: no - I'm in chicago
Selma: yes alt
rcs: I am on Natural Bridge daily -- teaching at an ELS program on UMSL campus
alt: that's interesting Selma.
Ingrid_Doweary: Ryan arent you in Chicago also?
Selma: I will look for his handout its here somewhere
ryan: yes ingrid.. but lots of family in STL
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I meant RCS.
rcs: MLK & Union is a pretty tough section of town
Ingrid_Doweary: Ryan, I got a 1st cousin and an aunt in STL.
AYWalton: good evening all.
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY!
deannie: Hi Aywalton
jhonora: Hey AYWalton!
3rdthawkins: hello AY
AYWalton: hello everyone!
Selma: Evening AY
ryan: yes it is.... very tough over there rcs..
AYWalton: hi 3rd
3rdthawkins: MLK seem to be tough everywhere
AYWalton: hey there alt, deannine, Ingrid, rcs, ryan, Ms. Selma!
alt: Selma, do you have any information on FPOC marriages in VA during the early to mid 1800's? any restrictions?
rcs: I live on the near south side of St Louis --
AYWalton: hey hey hey, it's honoray!
ryan: my cousin Peggy Ryan, was alderman over there many years
AYWalton: ah there's Khathu.
3rdthawkins: my mother's stepfather still have family in St. Louis, I believe
Selma: You do find them alt...
AYWalton: he gave a good presentation today!
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Jhonora
jhonora: Hey Ingrid
Selma: I wouldn't say you find a lot considering the number of folks.. but you do find them,
Khathu: i'm back
Ingrid_Doweary: wb Khathu
AYWalton: howdy Khathu!
alt: Were FPOC marriages in VA the usual, normal marriage situation Selma.. recorded in the county courthouses?
AYWalton: Good job today at your presentation!
ryan: ok rcs (I'm a little less familiar with that part of town than that I70 corridor)
Selma: Yes, you find them in the courthouses, but considering the number of FB's in VA...not as many as you would expect
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I missed it. I'm sure your presentation was sterling, Khathu.
AYWalton: I think everyone enjoyed it, Khathu. he did a good job! and everyone enjoyed it, for sure.
freeaainnc: hi all!
Khathu: a lot of people found the session very helpful
AYWalton: howdy free! you did good.
alt: Selma, I'm asking because of the Essex Co., VA posting on AfriGeneas on the Bird-Johnson families.
AYWalton: I will try to get my blog up about it tonight or tomorrow.
Selma: I saw that alt...
alt: hello freeaainnc
Selma: There is a free Negro Register for Essex..in two parts, the first part is in a book on Essex I believe the people the person posted on would have been in the 1st part which is not included I Mean the second part was in the book
alt: okay... and if I remember correctly there was legislation in Essex, Dinwiddie Counties to remove FPOC form those counties ca 1830's.
Ingrid_Doweary: Got a episode of "Treme" playing in the background.
Khathu: the presentation is the outline for my book
Ingrid_Doweary: Your book, Khathu? What's the title so I can locate it.
Selma: That was legislation in all VA counties, following Nat Turner
Khathu: no title yet but it will focus on slave era search
Selma: Most of em didn't go anywhere
alt: right Selma,
freeaainnc: right selma, but they didn't succeed with getting rid of all fpoc in va
Khathu: with several case studies have a great evening everyone.
Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, please let me know when it's released.
Khathu: i need to go help a neighbor
Ingrid_Doweary: Take Care, Khathu
Selma: But they made it more unpleasant then it was before
alt: freeaainnc, were there restrictions on FPOC marriages in NC being recorded as 'legal' in NC in the early to mid 1800's?
freeaainnc: of course and in NC too no alt
Selma: Jhonora..someone just sent me the book American Uprising on the slave revolt in New Orleans
freeaainnc: there were no restrictions on marriages, just who they could do business with, purchasing guns, migration in/out of state
alt: so FPOC marraiges in NC are recorded in the county records of NC for those early periods freeaainnc?
freeaainnc: right alt
alt: okay freeaainnc, thanks
freeaainnc: and they were not segregated from white records either until after the EP
Selma: In the records prior to emancipation are they identified by race?
freeaainnc: sometimes but not usually and that is true of all records before EP periodically you will see "colored" on a record, but not usually and it seems to depend on the county too
alt: okay, like in Ohio they are records in the marriage logs, but here they are 'marked' as being black, colored, stc. to distinguish them from the other marriages.
freeaainnc: not usually in NC until 1860s
alt: Selma, I'm trying to figure out how to respond to the Bird-Johnson situation of why they might not find a 'formally' recorded marriage record in VA for that period 1840-1850
Selma: Just tell em cause they were "colored"..that ain't hard AY...I have an Osage in Oklahoma question for you
alt: yes, but was that because of FPOC marriges not being legal & binding in VA at tha time?
freeaainnc: well, alt, in NC specifically (don't know about VA), even if they did have a formally recorded wedding, not all the marriage bonds still exist
Selma: No they can be found alt...and they were legal..
freeaainnc: maybe talk to Paul about that alt
Selma: There is an Essex County historical society..
alt: okay Selma.. "that horse is dead" LOL LOL
3rdthawkins: alt, have you heard of the Philanthropist in Cincinnati??
3rdthawkins: weekly publication
alt: who was the Editor 3rdthawkins & the time paeriod? period
3rdthawkins: started by James G. Birney in 1836
rcs: Deannie .... are you on facebook?
alt: Is he the one with a fellow named Conklin who had their presses thrown into the Ohio River?
3rdthawkins: was an abolitionist
Selma: Alt..there is an Albert E. BYRD Mulatto..no age given registered May 21, 1849 in the Register
Ingrid_Doweary: Are you, rcs?
Selma: Who was looking for Vessels..here lately
3rdthawkins: he is the guy the school in D.C. was named after, Birney Elementary school, I attended that school, thought you may have heard of him or seen him through your research
Selma: AY..are there any records for the Osage in Oklahoma?
alt: I know of the newspaper 3rdthawkins
rcs: rcsthor or richard Schaefer
3rdthawkins: ok alt
AYWalton: there are some Osage documents---not tons though.
Selma: Where are they located..someone looking circa 1895 - 1930 time frame
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh okay. I'm on there also. I guess you know that already.
rcs: I see Art
AYWalton: who is researching Osage Selma?
rcs: And numerous other genealogy folks
alt: 3rdthawkins, Birney was an abolitionist contemporary of the Beecher family in Cincinnati... from the Harriet Beecher Stowe.
AYWalton: howdy daviss!
daviss: Hello folks!
alt: hello daviss
3rdthawkins: hey daviss
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss!
3rdthawkins: ahh, ok alt
AYWalton: how's it going, daviss?
Ingrid_Doweary: Wow Alt.
AYWalton: did you get over to Mesa?
3rdthawkins: I never knew who he was until I read the history of the school on Facebook, so I thought I would look him up, very interesting
Selma: Hi daviss...Hi STG
AYWalton: hello STG
alt: Wow!!!!! Here is stg !!!!!!
3rdthawkins: hello STG
rcs: I have a Harriet Beecher Stowe question!
daviss: no AYWalton I did not. I did not get back from the mountains until late
3rdthawkins: Begin your Quest-ION RCS
rcs: How many of you have read uNCLE tOM'S cABIN
daviss: hi STG!
3rdthawkins: not I
Ingrid_Doweary: I learned through some founders day history that Mytilda Miner was good friends with Harriet Beecher Stowe. Minor founded a "normal" school for
alt: couple of times rcs
rcs: Everyone talks about it --- but it is hard to find many in the under 40 range who have read it
Ingrid_Doweary: 'colored' girls, a predecessor institution of the University of the District of Columbia where I work.
3rdthawkins: and you know, that is something rcs, it would be good to read probably, because a lot of young folks don't know what Uncle Tom is/was all about and what it refers to, but they are quick to point out someone/call someone an Uncle Tom I mean, I'm uncle Tom because that is my name, but....
Ingrid_Doweary: RCS. I've read it about 5 times, especially after seeing a film adaption starring Avery Brooks.
alt: okay Ingrid_Doweary, was Matilda Minor a lady of color?
rcs: It is a good book and worthy of rereading several times -- but I get dramatic eye-rolls when I suggest it to HS students
3rdthawkins: my dad said he kind of looked at his own father as an uncle Tom....but I think his definition of it is off
alt: which is ridiculous 3rdthawkins, if they have any understanding of the character and who Josiah Henson was and what he did.
3rdthawkins: I've only heard about it, have not got a chance to read it, perhaps I'll purchase the book one of these days and take the time to read it, I know it's something I would rather have sittin' around to pick up whenever, instead of gettin' it from the library
alt: it's probably online 3rdthawkins
freeaainnc: lol 3rd about being Uncle Tom b/c that is ur name
3rdthawkins: that's what I was wondering alt, could look it up
Ingrid_Doweary: No, Myrtilla Miner was an anglo. Here's a link, http://www.udc.edu/welcome/history.htm
daviss: art wasnt Henson AME
alt: okay thanks Ingrid_Doweary, I asked because there are a lot of AA Minor's who were FPOC's and many were located here in Ohio from the 1820's forward.
Ingrid_Doweary: Here's another link regarding her, Alt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrtilla_Miner
Selma: How have you been STG..haven't see you in awhile
rcs: There were AA Minors in Mississippi too
freeaainnc: alt are u talking about the book Uncle Tom's Cabin?
3rdthawkins: interesting and good history Ingrid_Doweary
alt: Probably BME daviss .... after he settled in Canada
rcs: descendants came to St Louis
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey STG, I missed you coming in.
3rdthawkins: yeah, Seventies Soulchild is looking for Minors in Mississippi
daviss: ok alt
Ingrid_Doweary: I misspelled her name it's Miner.
deannie: Minors is on of the surnames of Janice Forte' of AAGHSC
rcs: I believe the ones I researched were in Sunflower County or near Belzoni...I'll have to check notes
deannie: My family is form Bolivar county,Ms
alt: the one's who settled here are from the VA/NC areas around north hamption NC & southampton VA.
3rdthawkins: I know white people didn't like blacks who tried to open a school or something and was successful, I know it burnt them badly inside when one of their own sought to establish an institution to help Blacks
rcs: I did most of my research in the northeast corner -- Monroe, Chickasaw, noxubee counties
Ingrid_Doweary: Sunflower county, MS? Yeah, 3rd. Check out the history behind Nannie Helen Burrough and her training institution for 'colored' girls.
3rdthawkins: I saw that name Ingrid_Doweary that's a street in or near the Deanwood neighborhood where my grandparents lived in D.C.
rcs: OK the Minor family I have was in Grenada Co, MS
3rdthawkins: I know Seventies is researching in Grenada, rcs, not sure if it's Minor's though
daviss: my great aunt is named after her Ingrid Nannie Burroughs Daviss
rcs: Celia MInor marries Joseph Allen abt 1866 several children came to St Louis
deannie: I do not know where Janice's family is from but I know her research is in alabama
freeaainnc: bye folks, I need to go
rcs: One of the younger sons was born in Belzoni, Humphreys Co, MS
alt: I believe the NC Minor's were Quakers and the families split over slavery along with the Quaker religion .. some retained slaves and other's manunmitted their slaves and moved them out of the South.
deannie: Humphreys co,ms want city/town does it cover
3rdthawkins: her's is in Adams County rcs http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumc/index.cgi/page/1/md/read/id/33286/sbj/minor-duncan/ but was first name
rcs: Yes, I see that
Ingrid_Doweary: Check that link out, 3rd. N.H.Burroughs also showed up in the Washington Afro-American Newspaper in the 1920s and 1930s. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awmss5/afro_amer_schools.html
Selma: Time for me to go folks..good night.
alt: nite Selma
daviss: nite sel
3rdthawkins: wow Ingrid, so she died in 1961, she was living and a comtemporary of my grandparents when they were living in D.C. near the street that was named after her, apparently before it was named in her honor
alt: it is getting late... I"m outa here too ... deannie GO BEARS!!!!!!
3rdthawkins: nite alt
AYWalton: everyone have a great evening.
daviss: alt nite
deannie: it a nite also....
3rdthawkins: where my folks were living in the 1950s Ingrid http://tinyurl.com/4dvb768
daviss: well nite nite
Ingrid_Doweary: I didn't realize 3rd that the Miner Elementary School's Glee Club visited the 1st Lady in the White House last year. http://tinyurl.com/4hp3qra Sharing your ancestral atlas are you, 3rd?
3rdthawkins: hmm, that is intersting Ingrid............. yes
3rdthawkins: hmm, wow, that's cool
Ingrid_Doweary: Indeed. See the look on one of the girl's face?
3rdthawkins: yep lol
rcs: goodnight all
3rdthawkins: it's just crazy all of these AA achievements around my grandparents, and they wanted to be anything but....
Ingrid_Doweary: Yeah, puzzling isn't it?
3rdthawkins: of course, I'm thinking about all of these things in terms of and with my grandparents around around-in mind
di: hi all----having tech trouble this evenin
Ingrid_Doweary: Calls for a lot of in-depth consideration, 3rd? Glad you joined us, Di.
3rdthawkins: ok, I see, she was black Ingrid..........yes Ingrid, wondering what they could have been thinking when they hear of all these great black men and women. I know my dad told me his father never spoke of Martin Luther King
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm sorry. Who were you referring to 3rd?
3rdthawkins: was speaking of my grandparents Ingrid_Doweary and just stating that my own dad was saying his father (who is my grandfather) did not speak about MLK oops, Nannie Helen Burroughs Ingrid, sorry reading her bio on wikipedia
Ingrid_Doweary: Okay, I'm clear now. We on the same page now. So who did your grandfather speak of since he didn't speak of MLK.
3rdthawkins: no one, I guess, I asked my father that because of MLK holiday last week. Doesn't seem as if he was moved by the Civil Rights Movement and everything that was going on for black equality he was stuck on the fact, or idea, that you have to be white to be successful, that's something,, sadly and unfortunately, got implanted into his mind at some point on his life he did not see it any other way, it appears and could not see it any other way
Ingrid_Doweary: So which white prominent did he admire?
3rdthawkins: he was definitely a casualty not sure of anyone particular Ingrid_Doweary, he was just obsessed with being white, period! he wanted to give the appearance of being white, at all cost.
Ingrid_Doweary: I've heard of a number of individuals with the same mindset. Even a few in my family as well. What's the good word, Di?
di: nothing much
Ingrid_Doweary: Any successful discoveries with your research, Di? Sorry you're have technical difficulties. Hopefully they're when next me meet. Signing off everyone. Good night.
3rdthawkins: so, what's up di
di: nothing much, still daily multitasking!, trying to find show for my mom to exhibit at in the spring and summer,
3rdthawkins: oh, ok, gonna go, have a good nite