2011-01-21 LunchBunch Friday
3rdthawkins: hey alt
alt: hello 3rdthawkins, how goes it today?
3rdthawkins: going good, been able to fill in blanks to my family tree yesterday, had a good day, hoping for the same today hello Selma
alt: hi Selma, how are ya?
Selma: Afternoon alt and 3rd
alt: wonderful 3rdthawkins, filling in blanks is always good.
3rdthawkins: from yesterday, the Lum surname is a Chinese name, just have to see how it ties into my family
Selma: The Lum surname also appears in early Virginia..and it is not associated with an Asian person
alt: okay, you have something that indicates these Lums as having chineses ancestry, or just a surname of Lum.... just asking, for the sake of accuracy, not doubting.
3rdthawkins: just teh surname alt, I have not found these people in any records yet
alt: okay, I've been mining the WW I fraft records for folks, it just dawned on me that my grandfather's 1st & 2nd cousins, etc. would have been 'draftable during WW I. Having great success in finding WW I draft records.
Selma: According to a Jan 30, 1626 Court Testimony..a Thomas LUM drowned in the James River
alt: there always some uncovered avenue/source to go back and add to what you already have on folks.
3rdthawkins: that's great alt, the problem for me, most of of teh males in my tree were born outside of the time frame that would make them eligible to fill out a Draft Card wow 1626 Selma? what state was that i? in
3rdthawkins: ahh, ok
alt: that can happen 3rdthawkins, families often run a 'dearth' of male births for periods of time.
3rdthawkins: there's a white Moses Lum in MS, I am wondering if he is my great great grandmother's father, but nothing to connect him as of yet, I'm thinking maybe it's her mother that's Chinese
Selma: I got the info from a book entitled VA Immigrants and Adventurers 1607-1635..
alt: my mother, grandmother and one line of a great-grandmother had no males surviving to adulthood.
3rdthawkins: ok thx Selma.......................hello Ingrid
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Selma, alt and 3rdthawkins
Selma: You see the appearance of Surnames that you later see all over
3rdthawkins: writing it down
Selma: Afternoon Ingrid
alt: hello Ingrid_Doweary, good friday to you.
Ingrid_Doweary: Good Friday to you also, Alt.
3rdthawkins: I had heard she grew up in an orphange, I was thinking maybe it was the Charleston Orphange, so I got the book through interlibrary loan, but her name doesn't show up
Selma: I am not saying that there is or is not a Chinese connection in your family...just that the surname can appear in other populations
3rdthawkins: correct Selma, I suspect that also have to find more information, just hard to jump right in there when you don't hae enough to go on alt, some of these males I cannot find a draft card for that I believe should be one for them
alt: right Selma & 3rdthawkins, timeframe & local demographics along with many factors have to be considered in determining ethnic origins of folks.
daviss: hello 3rd alt ingrid and selma
Ingrid_Doweary: I hear that 3rd. I just check out 5 books from the university library on African Americans within the American Civil War history.
Selma: Afternoon davis
alt: hello daviss, how are ya?
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss
alt: WW I cards are amazing in their age range I'm finding 43-45 y/o men having draft cards. for WW I
daviss: I got so hung up in looking for Dingle's I forgot the time
Selma: I found the Dingle WWI draft record
alt: robert Nelson dingle?
daviss: yes found that two selma and noticed the next of kin was a Charlotte yes alt
alt: me too Selma.. and possible DC on the familysearch site.
Ingrid_Doweary: Sounds like the Old Man's Draft cards you're examining there, Alt.
daviss: but not sure if she is the wife or mother
alt: no Ingrid_Doweary, this is for WW I, not the old man's draft of 1942 for WW II.
Selma: The person needs to tell us who Dingle married...
daviss: she could be either because I found 5 or 6 with various age s
Ingrid_Doweary: Oh, I believe I spoke in error. Sorry Alt.
Selma: He probably appears in the 1920 and 1930
alt: no problem Ingrid_Doweary
daviss: for sure selma
3rdthawkins: funny, those I find in WWII I don't find one for WWI when they should have one
Selma: I try to tread softly and not say...........Ok who did he marry
3rdthawkins: hello di
alt: hello di, how are ya?
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Di
Selma: Afternoon di
di: hello all, i just wanted to come in and say hi. I can't stay ( i snuck in) lol
daviss: lol Selma I was looking to see if you were going to ask. heyyyy di!
Selma: I was thinking of how to word it...LOL Well glad you "snuck" in di.. LOL
di: alt I am excited, i am working on an idea and just too excited about the thought of it!
alt: i'm gonna 'snitch' on ya di LOL LOL excitement is good... can you share what your project is?
di: lol....if i stay to long i will be snitiching on myself! got alot of work to do today on 4 differnt projects/jobs
alt: oh, oh, be careful di
Selma: We want you to keep your JOB...
Ingrid_Doweary: We sure do. Jobs are hard to come by nowadays.
di: alt oh i will be asking for all of you 'guys' inputs. i am trying to develop a program to get young adults and teenagers interested or at least a taste of genealogy. i am trying to work with a history teacher to implement it. but basically it wil be a project for them to work on in school as a part of their history class
daviss: oh a good person for that would be prodru she is working on that now
3rdthawkins: yeah, she just did something like that
alt: wonderful di... you might ask ProfessorDru for some input, she is doing something similar with church youth groups in her aware. aware=area
Ingrid_Doweary: Happy to learn when folks are developing those types of projects. I'm always a student in that area.
Selma: We had a local college prof..who would send students to our meetings..he had them do their family histories
di: yeah i owe paper work for one and have to call my staff up for orientation with my other job, i am helping a friend sell dinners (cooking out of my house) now, and this idea. and kids are home from school. and i have to prepare for orientating a staff tomorrow. so i am not too busy i cant sneak in and say hi brb
3rdthawkins: hello AYWalton
AYWalton: good afternoon, all
daviss: hello AYWalton
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY.
AYWalton: hi 3rd
Selma: Afternoon AY
AYWalton: greetings alt, daviss, di, Ingrid_Doweary, Ms. Selma
alt: if you want to get anything done di, they say give the job to a 'busy' person... and you are busy LOL
AYWalton: Hope you are all well.
alt: hello AYWalton
daviss: doing well AYWalton. I got my results back from FTDNA this morning
Selma: and Do Tell
alt: I se vkn is having some of the Essence readers post the queries to AfriGeneas.
AYWalton: that's a great idea!!!
daviss: that Dingle is one alt
AYWalton: is there a strategy to respond to them, and are they being identified as Essence-based queries?
alt: yep .. and I responded to the one on Gallimore from GA & NJ
AYWalton: daviss----that did it say?
daviss: ESS is the key AYWalton
AYWalton: oh ok, thanks, daviss.
di: well i want to incorporate my aagg, afrigeneas and the local family history center since it is in the area and new. I want the students to learn the resources but not be too far from reach. and i was hoping if they utilize the juniors forum here we would be able to guide them some here as well ( again out there in the real research world but not too far from a helping/guiding hand) maybe i can even get the nara in on it. see too excited
alt: Selma. she ain't who she thinks she is LOL LOL
Ingrid_Doweary: That's wonderful, Di. Great seeing you all again, got to run.
Selma: Who..I will have to go reread..
daviss: lol what chu talkin bout Willis (alt)
AYWalton: how are you doing this di? oh spill it, daviss!
di: ok i am gonna run. and if anyone has any input please email me, i want it to be something we can all take back and utilize where we live!
di: AYWalton in my head right now! It is something I am trying to develop with a history teacher friend of mines.
daviss: looking in the mirror now lol
AYWalton: is that your Haplogoup daviss?
Selma: I thought you mispelled LOL daviss
daviss: lol lol
alt: Haplogroup "L" and then the rest daviss
AYWalton: Your Haplogroup Loa1 has East African Origin as well as migrations in East Africa, North Africa and SouthEast Africa.. at least that is what one link I just looked up says. Haplogroup L0a1 is found at 4% among Cushitic Speakers and 6% among the Amhara Ethiopians, it has frequencies of 4% among the Tigrais and 5% among the Ethiopian population. It can be seen at 3% with Yemenis and 10% of Mozambique population,
daviss: whew ! AYWalton
AYWalton: so that should help you feel better!
Selma: Does that cover the continent.. LOL
AYWalton: the question is----ok now where did they migrate their way into your family line! lol no, it leaves out Central and western---where most African Americans are from.
daviss: heck if I know lol I am just glad
AYWalton: So who ARE youf folks, daviss??? And how did they get here? lol
3rdthawkins: So I think daviss know who I am referencing when I say She is Who I Thought She Was!!!!!
AYWalton: greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selma: Afternoon vkn
alt: hello vkn how are ya today?
vkn: heyyyyyyyyyyy good peeps
daviss: heyyy vkn
vkn: I be good
3rdthawkins: hello vkn
AYWalton: more info for you, daviss: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182106/ folks from Yemen and other places in the mideast have that haplogroup as well. interesting.
alt: daviss, you've had other 'direct' line family members do mtDNA test with other agencies?
vkn: 3rd alt ayw daviss di selma taking names lol
di: hi all
daviss: nope I did my maternal line with ancestry remember
alt: and it was the same haplogroup, right?
di: have a good day all
daviss: my brothers did the paternal but I did not have him do both
alt: oh, okay
daviss: I was jealous and wanted to do my own lol
AYWalton: and with this being an mtDNA test one wonders many things daviss----and how that female line came to be here in this country.
alt: well, now the family has both Y & mtDNA fro two testees
ProfessorDru: hey gang
AYWalton: ProfessorDru is in da house!!
alt: hello ProfessorDru
vkn: hoedy dru
ProfessorDru: angela in da house
AYWalton: how's it going, ProfessorDru?
ProfessorDru: It is well, Angela
AYWalton: thanks for the video promo on your blog, ProfessorDru!
Selma: Hi Dru
ProfessorDru: you're welcomed
vkn: Emory Univ is apologizing for its role in slavery
alt: daviss, this was HVR1 & HVR2 with FTDNA?
3rdthawkins: what did they do vkn?
AYWalton: ahhh I had not seen that announcement vkn.
3rdthawkins: hello ProDru
daviss: yes alt both
AYWalton: Is that a recent event from Emery?
alt: good daviss
vkn: Hot on Atlanta AJC this morning. I do not know full details. Slaves built the structures
AYWalton: very interesting! I shall take note on AJC website and put it on Twitter!
alt: when was Emory Univ founded vkn.. have they stated?
vkn: John Emory founder was a slave owner
3rdthawkins: ahh, I see, so there's a direct link
vkn: Built the Oxford Campus AYW yes 3rd
alt: okay, I was gonna say almost anything major built prior to the 1860's would have been thru slave labor.. the White House being another example.
daviss: thats for sure and minor too alt :?
alt: and TJ's fabled UVA, right Slema
3rdthawkins: that makes sense and understood
vkn: Plus a book about it all is just being released so guess that will boos sales
3rdthawkins: yes it will
vkn: Selma good input/feedback on your ESS researcher and I have another for you born in Newport News
alt: on those construction things. I wonder if they will ever go into and state the fact the slave labor was more than just plain laborer's.. that there were major AA craftsmen involved in those efforts.
AYWalton: where are the ESS queries vkn?
vkn: Now alt that is needed research
vkn: Only two up so far ayw will alert you as they go up
AYWalton: where do they appears? appear?
Selma: The Liberian posting was interesting..is that an ESS
AYWalton: (sorry about that extra "s")
vkn: yes selma it is
alt: some of TJ's folks that he freed at given some credit for Monticello vkn... Fosset & Isaacs are a couple.
Selma: Number of folks left from Culpepper VA to Liberia...in the database
vkn: ahhhhhh a historic dwelling thnx alt
alt: Selma, I looked for Horace &/or Horace or Charles slaveowners in Culpepper, couldn't find any.
vkn: I have two great uncles who built the near palace like homes in the Choccolocco Valley of Alabama
Selma: There were no HORACE's in the database either alt...but it is a good source for her
alt: no doubt vkn.. there were some fanatastic AA craftsmen in the 'trades' that are seldom if ever mentioned.
alt: Yeah Selma, I'm wondering the timeframe for the Liberia movement... seems like the ACS should have some records somewhere.
vkn: Yes like Day of SC and my BENHAM grandfather who was a craftsman born SC
alt: and you will see in some manumission papers that the folks were being freed to specifically go to Liberia... this person should have some good leads.
ProfessorDru: Angela, how can I find out more about the USCTs of General Samuel Chapman Armstrong. They were in the 8th and 9th regiments.
AYWalton: I would study the regiments---have you checked to see if any filed pensions? And you mentioned Ge. Sam. Armstrong, was he the general of one of the larger batallions?
ProfessorDru: this is all new to me and I don't yet know the names of any of the soldiers yet.
AYWalton: oh that's easy the Soldiers and Sailors system will provide names for you. are these Infantry regiments?
ProfessorDru: I don't know how large they were. He was the founder of Hampton University.
AYWalton: if so, then Footnote has many of them.
ProfessorDru: I'd like to find the names of some of these USCTs
AYWalton: the regiments with numbers from 1-55 are up on footnote and the Soldiers and Sailor system will give you their names. Footnote has their service records.
vkn: Searching for 1860 at no names bur geographically might provide leads dru
AYWalton: what are you seeking specifically ProfessorDru?
ProfessorDru: just to learn more about the names of the soldiers. I was reading an autobio of an ex slave who knew Armstrong after slavery I guess.
AYWalton: are you looking for a particular name or just any name from those regiments, ProfessorDru?
ProfessorDru: any name
AYWalton: what was the slave's name.
ProfessorDru: George Washington Fields
alt: speaking of Hampton ProfessorDru, I believe there is a lsiting of USCT buried at the Hampton Nat'l cemetery... that might be another source for you .. the burial site.
ProfessorDru: where are those uscts listed who are buried at the hpt cemetery?
AYWalton: I will get you some names.
Selma: Dru..when yo look at the Rations Lists...the women getting Rations list their husbands units
alt: I don't have a specific URL ProfessorDru... a google search on USCT @ Hampton Nat'l cemetery might get you started.
ProfessorDru: ok selma. I will look for that at the library this weekend ok alt
Selma: Julia Cropter..........Co. R. 35 Regt USCTroops.........2 tickets
alt: they are listed somehwere on Bennie' site.
ProfessorDru: ok, here's a site, http://www.lwfaaf.net/cem/va/hampton1.htm
daviss: later folks
alt: by loa1 lol
Selma: Is that gonna be her new name alt...cause you know I can only keep up with so many
AYWalton: no one called Fields buried there or at least on that p age.
alt: that page is just a sampling ProfessorDru. I understand there are in the neighborhood of 1,000 usct's buried in that area.
AYWalton: do you want a list of soldiers from those units, ProfessorDru?
ProfessorDru: Fields was not a soldier, just someone who knew Armstrong
AYWalton: ahhh ok.
ProfessorDru: yes, angela
Selma: You need to check and see if anybody living on the Wine Street served in the USCT Maybe mentions Fields in their pension record
alt: Selma, had to tease daviss, but she got away LOL
ProfessorDru: that's a thought Selma Hopefully the Freedman's Bureau records might indicate what other families were living on Wine Street.
Selma: Thats a thought..cause AY..said we should always check
AYWalton: ProfessorDru, there were 1628 soldiers in the 8th.
ProfessorDru: wow, are they listed online somewhere
AYWalton: specific ones you want or all of them?
Selma: I saw them all living in Wythe on the census Dru..in 1870 is that where Wine Street is?
ProfessorDru: According to the census, Selma. I found that info also. I don't think that Wine Street in considered to be in Wythe area today. wb angela
Selma: YOu know Joan Charles abstracted all the black folk in Hampton onthe 1870 census..sure the library has the book
AYWalton: thanks Dru.
ProfessorDru: ok Selma, I'll look for book this weekend.
AYWalton: Professor Dru there are 3 soldiers called Field/Fields in the 8th US Colored Infantry
ProfessorDru: What are the first names?
AYWalton: John Field, James Fields, John Fields.
ProfessorDru: wonder if this is our James Fields that Selma and I are researching?
AYWalton: AND you can get their military service records on Footnote. let me look at his service record.
ProfessorDru: I also believe James had a brother named John.
AYWalton: hold on second.
Selma: John was sold away wasn't he
ProfessorDru: I know that General Armstrong knew George and James Fields, but I wondered if hey may have met them before the end of the war. I don't remember Selma
vkn: yall stay good
alt: you too
AYWalton: hmm...........he was born in Kentucky looks like he was a substitute for someone.
Selma: JOhn is listed as #1 on George's list..not sure if its chronological
ProfessorDru: The names of Fields siblings are on the first few pages of the autobio in list of children, Selma?
AYWalton: ok this James Fields died in 1865. not your guy probably.
Selma: John, Louise, Matilda, Jams, Robert, Maria, William, Betty, Mary, Cahtherine, George W
ProfessorDru: what about the two John Fields?
AYWalton: ok checking on those right now.
ProfessorDru: thanks Selma; I didn't bring my copy with me.
AYWalton: Hmmm John Field:
ProfessorDru: John may have been the oldest. yes John Field or Fields
AYWalton: Born in NY, promoted to corporal, engaged at Olustee Florida (that was a major battle) Chapin's Farm VA, (that is New Market Heights) Petersburg and he was at Appomattox Courthouse for the surrender! he is an interesting man. that was FIELD (no "s")
ProfessorDru: thanks Angela.
AYWalton: oh the next guy----
AYWalton: John FIELDS (with an "s")
ProfessorDru: yes John Field is quite interesting.
ProfessorDru: yep opps
AYWalton: system is acting weird.
ProfessorDru: hey alt
AYWalton: okok here is data on Fields:
alt: yes ma'am
ProfessorDru: Selma and I reading the autobio of a local former slave looking for possibilities for further research and a presentation. We're gluttons for punishment like either of us needs another project. LOL
Selma: Dru..do you the approximate dates of birth for all these children I looked up Bartlett..didn't see anyone in the area prior to 1870..
ProfessorDru: James in 1844; George, 1854. I have other info at home. ok
Selma: The one in 1870 is from Massachusetts
AYWalton: Also born in Rhode Island! Saw action at Deep Bottom, VA, Chapin's Farm, Darbytown VA,
alt: good ProfessorDru, that's is 'skill building', but you already knew that.
Selma: Maybe Union soldier who stayed
AYWalton: Hmm........this is different, he may have been a substitute for a free man of color! a Thomas O. Scudder (col'd) now that is interesting, too. No word of what happened to him, though.
Selma: Yes, it is.. LOL
ProfessorDru: thanks for looking angela; I am still interested in the regiments of Armstrong.
AYWalton: he may have surived. ok what do you mean by regiments of Armstrong?
Selma: Well folks i have to go... Have a great day
ProfessorDru: me too. Angela, I will call you in a minute.
AYWalton: just give me a call. ok.