2011-01-14 Lunch Bunch
ProfessorDru: hello gang
vkn: zzzzzzhowdy dru seventies 3rd
3rdthawkins: hello SS vkn ProDru you all beat daviss and alt in
vkn: Vicky h as other priorities today
3rdthawkins: ok, that may explain it for her
vkn: and I am hexagon tasking today
Seventies Soulchild: hello vkn ProfessorDru and 3rd
3rdthawkins: I see vkn
ProfessorDru: Angela and I tried out a web conferencing software yesterday. I used it to demo something in PowerPoint, then I made her presenter and she was able to show me her computer screen. hello soulchile
Seventies Soulchild: what software did you all use?
3rdthawkins: using Skype? or Ichat? we have an imac and do it a lot with my bro who also has imac and we use Ichat
ProfessorDru: I have a 30 day trial version. vkn, perhaps we can use this tool this weekend to discuss chat software issue.
vkn: Dru that is good. I am still wanting to get the learning center demonstrated.
ProfessorDru: We used GoTo Meeting.
vkn: I see
3rdthawkins: hello alt
ProfessorDru: 3rd, I have not tried skype or ichat yet.
Seventies Soulchild: hi alt
vkn: Howdy alt
ProfessorDru: howdy alt
alt: Hello 3rd, Seventies Soulchild Seventies Soulchild vkn How y'all be today?
vkn: I be okay
Seventies Soulchild: oh wonderful its all of 16 degrees.... lol but its not snowing so its all good
ProfessorDru: let me know what time you want to do a demo this weekend, vkn
3rdthawkins: good alt.............that is a good too ProDru, there's also another software to use also, allows you to control someone else's cpu from a remote location too-tool
ProfessorDru: yes, our it people use that to fix problems on our computers.
ProfessorDru: its kinda of irry watching someone control your computer. lol
Seventies Soulchild: :}
3rdthawkins: lol yeah, but it's cool
Seventies Soulchild: What software does ancestry use for webinars?
vkn: Dru are you talking the addonchat for us to demo
ProfessorDru: It is, 3rd. I'm sure its a time saver also. yes, vkn. I have not been able to log in under my account. not sure soulchile, but it is something like the GoTo Meeting--same concept
Seventies Soulchild: okay.
vkn: I will give you a call later this day dru tell me what time and I need to find the mail I sent with the original how2
ProfessorDru: With GoTo Meeting, you can talk using either a computer microphone of a telephone. ok vkn
Seventies Soulchild: Hello Ingrid_Doweary
vkn: Howdy Ingrid
3rdthawkins: hello Ingrid
ProfessorDru: gotta run
Ingrid_Doweary: Howdy Seventies, Vkn, Alt, ProfDru and 3rd.
alt: Hello Ingrid & di
3rdthawkins: hello di
vkn: howdy di
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Di.
di: good afternoon all
Seventies Soulchild: hello di
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry I missed ProfDut. ProfDut=ProfDru
3rdthawkins: well, everyone, I had a good conversation with my dad the other nite, was able to tell him a lot about his family history that he never knew before.
Ingrid_Doweary: Awesome, 3rd. How did he receive the information?
di: vkn i wanted to apologize. i think i have grown acustom to ads and news bloggs on the side of the homepage that i never realized it was links not ads for youtube and facebook. and also i rarely scroll thru the page since the tabs are at the top of the page
alt: hmmn, that's an interesting 'reversal'of roles 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: very surprised to hear a lot of it, especially his parents being cousins, which he discovered was the family secret his sister was talking about, but she promised their mom she would never tell. He told me a lot about his upbringing, very interesting
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry 3rd, how did he take in the information?
vkn: Not a prob di btw here is the log for the chat of yesterday http://www.afrigeneas.com/chat/chatlogs.cgi/page/1/md/read/id/105/sbj/2011-01-13/
3rdthawkins: Ingrid_Doweary he was surprised to hear a lot of it, some of it he had a hunch about something, but just wasn't sure, his sister didn't want to tell him because she though he along with their other siblings would get upset. But he did not get upset, he was "okay" with it yes alt, his parents told him very little of their family life, of course trying to hide the family secret for one, and for another his father did not want them to know they were black or had black blood in them.
Ingrid_Doweary: Sounds good, 3rd. Was he able to add any new information with what you already? It sounds like he confirmed some information for you and vice versa.
3rdthawkins: well, just about his upbringing Ingrid_Doweary, it gave a more in depth look into his childhood and what really went on, and explained a lot to me, especially why he may be the person he is. Not to make excuses. I was told his father's mother had visited, I showed him some pictures of the family that was shared to me, and recognized his father's mother, saying that she came down for Christmas. Also, he recognized his mother's sister's name, and that she came down either Christmas or Thanksgiving. NOt sure if he knew how they were related though or if they were related
alt: yep, sounds like understanding may be the key... don't know anyone who was able to select their 'natural' parents... and/or the reasons they got married.
3rdthawkins: he was happy to see a photo of his mother when she was younger, he stated he never show a younger photo of her. Also showed him photo of his mother's sisters, and family on his father's side. He was just amazed at the family history. He grew up thinking his mother was white, I explained she was not, he said his sister was trying to explain that to him but couldn't understand it because his dad did not like black people. But his mother was not prejudice at all never show-never saw
alt: 3rdthawkins,is your genealogy research helping you to become more 'objective' in your family discoveries? less subjective and possibly judgmental.
3rdthawkins: that explains alot regarding his mother, because of the records that I have seen and the stories I have heard of her, she was ok. He would bring his black girlfriends in the back door so they could meet his mother. yes alt, I like to understand people, doesn't have to do with genealogy, just want to understand nature, things happen and they happen for a reason, I am not as judgmental of my father as I could be, just makes me wanna do better and when I have children make sure I don't allow them to make the same mistakes.
Ingrid_Doweary: Wow, that's heavy-3rd.
alt: that's a natural 'feeling' 3rdthawkins , to do better by your children than was done for you... regardless of the situation(s) and introducing Mom to girlfriends and vice versa says something about Mom & the girlfriends.
3rdthawkins: right alt, but understanding the why, why he was the way he was, I believe the lack of a real father and male figure in his life, his dad was just concern with being white oppose to being black, not with being a man and taking care of your responsibilities. It was more accolades and achievements, things like that
alt: I guess that can be an all consuming trait/obession white vs Black
vkn: alt and 3rd I opt for doing different 'better' is loaded
alt: very true vkn, good option and choice of words
3rdthawkins: or maybe the opposite vkn you're right that's why I hesitate in saying better, but that is for a lack of "better" (no pun intended) word it's not about being better, just not repeating those same mistakes or actions or attitudes nobody's perfect
alt: 3rdthawkins, my ftaher died when I was 11 y/o... so for some pretty important years (teens) I had no male figure in the house, but was fortunate enough to have friends who had older brothers and then the men in my church provided strong male role models too... So community can be as much of an influence as 'home'.
3rdthawkins: I am also curious as to blindness, because he has nightblindness, neither of his parents had it, two siblings of his had it, I am legally blind in left eye, so he even mention that his parents being cousins may have something to do with it
vkn: Who designed the standards, the expectations and where is Parents University
3rdthawkins: true alt, I think my older siblings was that in one way or another right vkn
alt: children vkn, children LOL LOL LOL
vkn: lol alt
alt: hello daviis,you made it
daviss: hello peeps!
vkn: heyyyyy daviss
daviss: yes lol
3rdthawkins: I'm not gonna make excuses for him vkn, he has a problem, definitely, and that is the reason why he was not and cannot be there,. But human nature is human nature, and when you don't have anyone there to teach you, it's hard to be the best you could and should be hello daviss
daviss: dang alt still tiny words on screen
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Daviss, great to see you
daviss: hello there Ms Ingrid
alt: try the 'settings icon daviss .. Font size
daviss: checking sheesh trying 12
vkn: Try 16 daviss
daviss: ahah! whew lol thanks
Ingrid_Doweary: Glad you joined us.
daviss: I thought I was going to have to put my eyes on the screen for a min there
Ingrid_Doweary: lol lol
alt: happy we found the secret daviss
daviss: and I surely thank you scrolling back on conv
alt: wb di
daviss: Are you married 3rd?
daviss: ok hi di
AYWalton: Good afternoon, all.
daviss: hello AYWalton!
AYWalton: Hope you are all fine, today.
3rdthawkins: hello AYwalton
alt: hello AYWalton, how are ya today?
AYWalton: hi 3rd doing well alt, and you?
alt: okay thanks
AYWalton: howdy daviss, di, Ingrid. Greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alt: grumpy as ever LOL lOL
AYWalton: lol sorry to hear that Grumpy alt!
3rdthawkins: he's a old man, so....
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey AY! Be nice,
vkn: Well yall Alonzo is in Lausanne Switzerland for month of January
alt: vacation or on tour?
vkn: mighty fancy digs http://www.brp.ch/uk/index.php Making a ballet alt
daviss: I finally got the people at the Masonic Lodge to answer the phone on wednesday. After talking to them, I sent them an email requesting information on whether my grand uncle and great grandfather were Masons
alt: wonderful vkn... now we have an 'international' star, that's great!!!!
vkn: howdy AYW
daviss: so far no reply but I am still hopeful
alt: okay daviss, that might be all they can do for you too... Yes they were Mason's, the degree and the Lodge they belonged to.
Ingrid_Doweary: WB Di, What's happenin'?
vkn: howdy di wb did you get log
alt: did th uncle & g father have Masonic services at their funerals?
di: yes i have to reclick on it b/c my internet went out for a min there
Ingrid_Doweary: Great question, Alt. Of course you knew that already.
daviss: I got the yes for my great grand mother and the address of the local person who was their matron but of course the letter came back lol
di: i am enjoying researching again without stress! I am working on someone else tree. all they asked is one generation more than they knew. I finished that in an hour and have just been digging for past week!
daviss: They records were kept locally
alt: that's good di,, other folks research can help to hone your skills.
vkn: Once upon a time there was a resource for lost mail. Is there still such a location alt ayw may be a resource for daviss
alt: dunno if the P O still has a lost letter service vkn.
daviss: I am thinking that since my gr grandmother was an Eastern Star her hubby was a Mason
di: yes this is fun because they lived in philadelphia for a few decades and they worked in steel mills and ship yards and served in the the military. more records to learn to research! were all lodges apart of the mason/ eastern star?
vkn: "May have been..."
alt: Someone was daviss for her to be an Eastern Star... hubby, father, gfather, etc.
Ingrid_Doweary: I can appreciate that Daviss. Di what has been the challenge for you?
daviss: well my grand was deceased in the early 50's vkn so I doubted anyway that the addy would have been good
di: which challenge?
alt: depends di... a couple of Masonic Orders.. Prince Hall & Affiliated Free Masons are the "main' Order.
daviss: I was hoping I could have gotten an application that was filled out
Ingrid_Doweary: Sorry, I that a challenge was making your research drag on.
alt: dunno about that daviss.. an application
di: alt I asked because my grandparents went to "lodge meetings" and one of them was the secretary for it. The briefcase of notes may still be in the closet.
daviss: especially way back then huh alt
Ingrid_Doweary: Wouldn't the Masonic HQ have those forms, Daviss?
vkn: di perhaps we can get you involved with the schatzman-murdock project. they lived in allegheny county
daviss: no, they told me that the records would have been kept locally
alt: even today daviss, I think you have to be 'sponosored' for membership, you don't just ask to join
di: Ingrid_Doweary my issues are drawn out. i am sort of at some brick walls that require some out of state trips. i have an individual who disappeared. just normal stuff. missing for a decade. can't find before certain dates....
vkn: di other surnames are PROVIDENCE
di: vkn what is that ?
Ingrid_Doweary: I can very well appreciate that, Di.
vkn: di I understood you to say you had time to research other your own
alt: AfriGeneas on FaceBook... great photos... I saw one last night of 4 generations of a Rockwell Family from Chicago.. turns out that family is in my TP database from the 1850's.
di: ok i will take a crack at it
vkn: wow alt
alt: yes vkn.. and a couple of Rockwell's married into my Adams lines in the 1860's & the 1880's.
di: vkn is the info on the forum?
vkn: congrats 3rd on your research findings
daviss: at least I got the name and verified that my grgrandmother was a Star via her addy
3rdthawkins: thank you vkn
alt: that's progress daviss..
vkn: Not as yet di will need your mail addy firstname.lastname@example.org
3rdthawkins: vkn, I was reading a post on the Townsend, Thomas Townsend, was very interesting, someone had posted two messages, and it lead me to the whole thread from 2004 to the present. very good info, I was hoping it would lead me to my great grandfather Thomas/Tom Townsend, but doesn't seem like it did. Would like to more more about Townsends from MS to Texas (Panola Co.) would like to know more about Townsends from MS to Texas.... or found out more find
vkn: Much documentation is available on Townsend VA KY GA SC FL MS AL OH in that order 3rd
3rdthawkins: ok, none in TX? Mainly my 3rd gr grandfather William Townsend stated in census he was born in MS, but he states his parents were from SC
vkn: associated name GIVENS GIBBONS
3rdthawkins: haven't seen any of those names, have seen Strother his wife's "maiden" name
vkn: AYW isnt Sedalia STROTHER
alt: AYW be's gone vkn
3rdthawkins: his "daughter" also married a Strother
vkn: isnt Sedalia STROTHER via Alabama
di: ? has there been any scenarios where an individual was listed on two different census households for the same year. maybe one for the actual family and one for the family they worked for?
alt: often di....
daviss: AYWalton is not here
3rdthawkins: yes di, two individuals live with my Hughes family in 1870, one was enumerated twice that year, once living with his family under his family's name, and another living with my Hughes family under the name Hughes
vkn: also a landmark TOWNSEND probate case from Madison County Alabama where man left considerale estate to his half Black children and eventually they ended up in Ohio
Ingrid_Doweary: I wish I could find that scenario you inquired about Di, with my Martin Doweary ancestor of Carroll Co., MD.
alt: we have cases where kinfolk worked as 'live-in domestic's' they are listed with their employer and alsowith their oen personal family di.
vkn: Lots of those di
3rdthawkins: wonder if anyone has anything on Townsend migration towards the west vkn
daviss: vkn do you have any Patillos in your bama line
di: ---deep down i was hoping for a no LOl
3rdthawkins: lol di
vkn: Yes indeed daviss in my direct maternal line
alt: daviss, a college flame of mine was a Frances Patillo from Manassas, VA
Ingrid_Doweary: Oops. I loggedout by mistake.
daviss: what county vkn?
di: well i may have the scenario with the davis line i am searching. and i may have to do some digging with my own ancestor nero
vkn: In fact daviss Corrine Patillo is a BELL and she wrote the colored news for the Anniston Star
alt: di ,you see tha situation frequently when the male may have ben a butler/chaffuer and the female a 'maid'.
daviss: I will need to research the white side
vkn: Her husband was James Patillo daviss. The couple had the distinction of adopting a German Brown baby all those years ago.
daviss: interesting vkn.. Lady Bird Johnson's mother line is Patillo
vkn: Calhoun County daviss Choccolocco White Plains
di: well my friends family has women cooks, and laundress
alt: that fits di
daviss: not really sure if it were Autaunga Cty thugh
vkn: Yall be good
daviss: bye vkn
di: later vkn
3rdthawkins: bye vkn
daviss: well guess I will head out too take care
di: 3rd any luck with newspaper post
alt: from yesterday's discussion.. how many of you have looked at the AfriGeneas 'site map' from the Home Page?
3rdthawkins: nope di
di: alt i have not
3rdthawkins: not I alt, I just go straight to the forums
Ingrid_Doweary: I'll need to do a lot of catching up, Alt.
di: 3rd i will keep my fingers crossed someone calls u back
3rdthawkins: ok, thx di
alt: I ask because when you look at the AfriGeneas site map you get an idea of what all is on AfriGeneas... and thes 'imitator' sites like the one we discussed have nothing close to the AfriGeneas features.
Ingrid_Doweary: It's been real good folks. Cya next time.
3rdthawkins: di, saint anthony was suppose to get back with me, they had emailed me a couple weeks ago saying they were searching, but have yet to email me back. the Diocese of Charleston did not have anything either, could not find any records on her
alt: well I"m outa here,, hopefully we''ll see y'all tomorrow night
3rdthawkins: well, they do not have anything on teachers but students, the lady at DOC had contacted someone at St James, and stated they only have records for students ok alt
di: but you want pictures. right
di: pictures are at the school house...u need someone in the church to get copies for you.
3rdthawkins: that's what I was hoping to get ok everyone I call seem to not even know or heard of her, I have yet to receive a call back from them you think your cousin could call, since she is more familiar with them? and see what she can do?
di: they are reconstructing the school house so finding who is in charge of putting the pics away is who u wnat to catch. i will talk to my cousin vernell and cousin barbara to see what they say about the pics.
di: and did you call st james?
3rdthawkins: yes, I have it's funny how people they don't know anything but they send you to someone they "think" knows, and that person doesn't know, so they send you to someone else THEY think knows. And that person says they will call back and doesn't
di: yeah it is that way sometime. i will see if i can get vernell phone number to see if maybe you can talk to her directly. she was excited to know you were looking for someone she knew.
di: well i gotta run