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2009-03-10 20:58:38 [Login] Sadonya
58:52 [Login] 3rdThawkins
04:48 [Login] Selinva
07:15 [Login] seraph1959
12:27 [Login] rcs
16:02 [Login] afrivee
22:23 [Login] evanco
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35:52 [Login] AYWalton
38:04 [Login] STG
42:28 [Login] Jay
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Sadonya : Which surnames are you looking for? It would also help us tremendously if you can supply the states, counties and time-frames of the surnames in question. Also, please detail what research you've already done on the surnames in question. The more you tell us up front, the less we have to retrace what you've already found or know.)
Sadonya : good evening how are you tonight?
3rdThawkins : Hey Sadonya, it's me, sonofedd
Sadonya : oh you in disguise
excuse my spelling
did you decide to spend some money on your research?
3rdThawkins : yeah, kind of, decided to go with a different name
I will have to, I am really counting on my grandmother's SS app to give me something, my grandmother has never told any of her children anything about herself
at least nothing that will identify her as an AA
Sadonya : that usually means she had secrets she did not want anyone to know my family is full of them but the interesting thing is.. that since every one now knows I do the research I hear all the screts so many I can not even rememeber them all
HEY There Selma
3rdThawkins : hey Selinva......or at least she kept her family info a secret
Sadonya : The secrets are usually nothing to be ashamed of
Selinva : evening Sadonya and 3rd
3rdThawkins : she passed as white, so she hid her AA heritage
Sadonya : maybe its just me... I think whatever we did made us who we are and was therefore necessary, there you go
3rdThawkins : I hate when people keep saying it's necessary, that is the most painful thing she could do to the family
seraph1959 : waving to cuz Sadonya
Sadonya : you mean necessary that she passed for white?
thanks for the beautiful obit.... wow it is great and your brother was quite handsome
3rdThawkins : to disconnect from her family and became displease when my father decided to date and marry black and view himself as black
seraph1959 : you are welcomed
Sadonya : your situation is a very hard one....... I agree we should never turn out backs on family
Selinva : It was very lovely seraph..
Sadonya : this color issue has kept many family members apart
we have some color sensitive folks in my family.. if you aint light skinned they have nothing to do with you... even their own grandchildren, I think its sad
3rdThawkins : my grandfather hated AAs just because his father left the family, I guess he wanted to marry a nearly white, if not white, woman.....they both wanted to raise their children to view themselves as white he disconnected from his family also, so he moved to D.C.....speaking to at least one of my aunts really didn't help, she did give me the name of my gm's two sisters, one I believe passed as Hispanic
Sadonya : but they can be found too
hey there rcs good to see you tonight
seraph1959 : I have put it on a scr*pbook page Selinva , I made a velum pocket so I can still acess it
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins are you light skinned, just curious?
3rdThawkins : yeah, my dad is, or was at one point, also
3rdThawkins : I think all my aunts and uncles are....looking at pics, it seem my dad turned a very light brown and his hair when from brown curly to black, etc.
Sadonya : and they were born in the south?
3rdThawkins : no, Washington, D.C.
Sadonya : hummmm that is interesting.....
time frame they were born in ?
3rdThawkins : 1950s and '60s
Sadonya : well you must be young then
3rdThawkins : yes
Sadonya : sorry about that
3rdThawkins : :) that's cool
Sadonya : I now see your situation a little more clearly
yes the SS apps are you first and best step to get back a generation
3rdThawkins : ok, yeah..
Sadonya : has everyone had a good week of research?
good evening evanco good to have you tonight
lol @ vee
seraph1959 : I have gathered and printed a bunch of photos for heritage scr*pbooking have been thinking about the journaling I will put with each page
Sadonya : wow that sounds fantastic seraph1959
Selinva : You have a lot of projects seraph..must have lots of energy
Sadonya : are these photos of family members?
evanco : hey how are you doing on the heritage scr*pbooking? I have been thinking about getting mine together and put it on as a display at the family reunion.
3rdThawkins : I wish you could join us for lunch Sadonya, we've had some pretty good discussions, mostly on passing white and things like that......I was reading the discussion Pasing for White onthe Wolrd Research forum last week started in 2003,
evanco : 3rdThawkins, that subject was very interesting....
3rdThawkins : that's what really encouraged me to tell mine, I didn't think there was any one, and so many that were going through the same thing I was that was dealing with it
Sadonya : I get offended when someone calls me yellow.. believe me I am no where near yellow... my skin has a red tint to it but very brown
seraph1959 : yes photos of family , it is going well , I display them as soon as I get a few done
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins in the south its very very common
3rdThawkins : I hope someone calls me yellow, I seem to look to white for anyone to just see that I am not white
Sadonya : but usually folks left the south moved north and passed
evanco : I am very lightskinned....most folks call lightskinned people, especially those who are lightskinned females, redbone.
Sadonya : up north maybe evanco but not down south
evanco : As stated, I am lightskinned, but I cannot pass for white, and if I could, I probably would not.
Sadonya : evanco that is an interesting statement.. .whereas now a days does not mean a lot back in the day .. it could mean your survivial if you could
3rdThawkins : I grew up where being white was actually a bad thing, just because of the issue of racism that has been associated with whites
evanco : Sadonya, some of a certain family who are lightskinned are called many names. In Maryland and Virginia we have Proctors, Savoy, Tapscott.
Sadonya : Down South...... you are unwittenly taught white is right and black better get back you have to be strong to overcome that negativism
evanco : Down South....white is right, black you get back, brown you stick around....crazy.
3rdThawkins : so it was very difficult when people did not see me as black just because I didn't have dark skin....that's one of those things that make you not want to even be black and want to accept the notion that you are white
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins hummmmm I understand where you are coming from
3rdThawkins : some people can make black like some secret society, you have to have dark skinn in order to be black
evanco : Back in the 1960s/1970s, some lightskinned folks did everything to prove their blackness, even grow afros and wear dashikis.:)
Sadonya : I was a young adult in the 70's the era of "I'm Black and I'm Proud"
3rdThawkins if you were born about 40 years earlier you might have had a different outlook on your family
3rdThawkins : why/how is that?
Sadonya : Black was almost invisible then
you had to work the system to just survive
a black man had it especially hard
evanco : Most people get hung up on a lot of things when they should not. Even within your own family people tended to get real nasty when it came to skin color, or the way a person looked. Understand?
3rdThawkins : it doesn't justify the situation Sadonya
evanco : Sadonya, you mean all black men, right?
Sadonya : yes
evanco : Sadonya, regardless of his skin color, right?
Sadonya : the one drop rule Plekker put in force made a lot of people sub human in their eyes
3rdThawkins : I will agree that had my dad dated/married white women and I was white, I would have a different outlook
Sadonya : according to Plekker even in that instance you would have still been black
evanco : Speaking of that one 3rdThawkins, how do you really feel about a black man dating a white woman? Or how would you feel if a black woman dated a white man? Is there a difference?
Sadonya : evanco we ain’t going to go there to each his own
3rdThawkins : It matters to me, only how I was raised, in my family, mother, etc. my outlook is to look at it as bad for some reason, I'm trying to get out of that thought
AYWalton : Good evening all.
Sadonya : Hey Angela good to see you
3rdThawkins : it's ok Sadonya, it's a great question, thanks for asking evanco, makes me think
AYWalton : Good to be here.
3rdThawkins : hey Walton, haven't seen you here in a while
evanco : Get out of it 3rdThawkins, and simply look at it this way, that you are human, and that each day we thank God for being with us all.
Sadonya : we are discussing blacks that passed for white... 3rdThawkins had a few in his family and is a very young man and does not understand why they would do such a thing
3rdThawkins : but I can't really see anything wrong with it, as long as they love each other, I would rather date/marry black though, just what I''m use to be around, a good ol' strong black woman. In my whole life, I only seen negative views of white women
Sadonya : good for you
now back to the subject....... why folks passed for white
evanco : Speaking of the passing for white thing, I sometimes wonder how a person really feels when he or she does it. It is just like that book I read The Human Stain, and that is exactly what it is.
Sadonya : Hello STG any new finds this week?
:seraph1959 did you answer the question about the photos you have I missed it
evanco : This issue really is a part of those persons way back when one through a variety of situations had to. Let me call it the Pinky Syndrome, you know from the movie Pinky starring Ethel Waters. Or the one about the girl in Imitation of Life, who felt that sh
AYWalton : It is sometimes referred to as "the Tragic Mulatto" syndrome.
evanco : The girl in Imitation of Life who felt that she was white. Or the book Sweeter the Juice, where a woman's mother's people passed for white.
seraph1959 : I did some of the photos are current , other are from 1950 and 1960's Most will focus on my Aunt and Uncle and the recent one are of my brother .
evanco : Question: If you could, if you really could, would you want to do that? Why?
AYWalton : That book was particularly enligtening, evanco, particularly because the "white" siblings that Shirley Haizlip found had lived sad miserable lives----white lives nad miserable lives.
Sadonya : evanco that poor girl did not think she was white.. she was using her light color to get what she knew she could not if they knew she was black
3rdThawkins : I agree Sadonya, otherwise she would not have cared that her mother died...
AYWalton : Same thing with Cane River.
in Cane River, the daughters pledged to "stay light and white" and let no Negro touch their hair----and they died sad lonely women...light/white, and all alone.when the brother finally realized that he was not accepted and still perceived as a black man---he became a black man, married a black woman and carried the line forward.
Sadonya : who you are inside is what really matters whatever reason people had to do what they did... we have to remember it was their choice
seraph1959 : This disconnection from family who can not pass seems liked itwould have been unbearable , but with time I guess people just cut themselves off from family and lived a pretend life that they made up as they went along
3rdThawkins : evanco, I would have to have a reason, I wasn't raised to think that way, I wish I was raised just to accept and be proud of my heritage, wish is many
Sadonya : seraph1959 right
3rdThawkins : family on my mother AND father's side were and are broken
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins yes that is so important... one of the hardest things for me to accept of my family was the Indian connection which I got from Angela..... thanks a heap lol
AYWalton : 3rdThawkins, you are fortunate, to have been raised in such a way. Many of us recall the elders who had problems with the word "black" and who wanted no acknowledgement of having heritage that was African. And we still hear the words "good hair, and bad hair." You are fortunate, indeed.
evanco : Even if I was a selfish person, I could not pass for somethng that I am not. It tends to make one feel a little bit dirty, not to take away the situations that some folks actually had to go through.
AYWalton : well Sadonya, you got the documented proof of your ties to Indian Territory.
Which many cannot proove, they will simply claim. which is where the problems start
Sadonya : oh I know
3rdThawkins was raised at a time when it was bad to be white amung blacks so he can not imagine
evanco : Question: Wonder how the person who wrote the book "Black Like Me" felt when he passed for black just to see how we existed.
AYWalton : I see.
Sadonya : I can answer that I saw him interviewed
AYWalton : What ishappening in Southern Alabama? Some kind of multiple shooting down there?
Sadonya : really I was down there last week
evanco : A white man passed for black in "Black Like Me" which was also a movie.
3rdThawkins : I think my family, my mother, had such a negative view of whites, that she could not show or tell whites in a good light, she still has a little bit of racism in her, I try to get it out of her...........she's "Black" old school, she's still seeing white people from the 50s and 60s, and not from Today
AYWalton : I remember the story from yeras go.
Sadonya : evanco he said that even tho he found out a little about what it felt light he actually will never know the full effect of what it is light because he can always go back to being white
evanco : 3rdThawkins, I try not to have too many negative views of anyone. I will tret people as I would want to be treated.
3rdThawkins : yeah, that's what I'm trying to learn, its hard when you grow up in a family with one view, I need to get out more into the world and see other views, not just ONE
evanco : True that, Sadonya. He really never found out about us "soulfully".
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins you can not change her.. my daughter says the same thing about me... I am not racisit but I know what I have been through
3rdThawkins : yeah, soundS like my mother
evanco : 3rdThawkins, go for it....get out there and see that "world".
Sadonya : I went to an all white school when I was in 10th & 11th grade
3rdThawkins your mother knows she can not trust the old white man
there are many that have changed the younger generation is different
evanco : We people of color are not racist, though we do carry with us our own prejudices and biases, and ofttimes we do have a mistrust of those whites whom we know will abuse us and will hate us.
seraph1959 : Sadonya do you feel you have a general distrust of white culture or specific folks?
3rdThawkins : well, she's not too bad now, but there is a little bit in her, she's not all about "the white man", to her, in general, it's people, but she stil lhas the "that's how they are..." thing going on
Sadonya : I will say this forgive me... but I could not date a white man because of slavery.. when I look at a white man I think.. that if this were slavery I would have no choice.. but now I do and it NO WAY JOSE
seraph1959 I distrust based on what a person does
so you could say specific folks
3rdThawkins : Well, my mother isn't like that
AYWalton : Evanco, why do you say that people of color cannot be racist? Are you speaking about the perspective of power? And what is racism that one race can be race-ist and another race has no capability of being race-ist?
evanco : Sadonya, I do intend to learn about people regardless of what the color is, or the religion, etc.
seraph1959 : I think my prejudice was/is mainly based on politics , government etc. my personal relationships with a few exceptions have been good
3rdThawkins : I think that would be my distrust of white people seraph1959
Sadonya : I am a people person I study people and there are things specific to whites blacks don't do and vice versa
evanco : Power, AYWalton. Some of our own scholars have defined it as such. It is defined as those who do have the power and much of the white system has that. Matter of fact there are some whites who cannot even go against system.
Sadonya : seraph1959 I wish I could say that
has anyone read the book "Stupid White Men"
AYWalton : Yes, I have heard that theory and wondered if that was the perspective that you were speaking from.
3rdThawkins : No but I've seen stupid white men lol
Sadonya : you should read that book written by a white man
evanco : So what happens now if I passed for white, I wonder if I could become a part of that power called Racism.
AYWalton : Frankly all faults human are faults that all humans can commit.
Hahahahaha Sadonya that is pretty good! :)
evanco : My answer to my own question would be 'no' because as stated, not all whites can be a part of that Racist system.
Sadonya : trying to remember the authors name
3rdThawkins : I remember I cut all my head off once and was talking to this little kid, his brother looked out and saw me and I think he thought I was a skinhead HEAD-HAIR
Sadonya : oh my
evanco : The one thing that I can say to most of this topic on passing for white is this..do not pretend what you are not, be true to yourself, and above all love who you are and you will always succeed in this world.
AYWalton : hahahaha I was wondering how you were pulling off still being here, 3redThawkins, without your head!
3rdThawkins : he told his brother no he couldn't go out and pulled him inside
evanco : 3rdThawkins, as I move on, I will put this personally to you and that is to be yourself, love yourself, and never pretend to be what you are not.
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins to be honest. if you have white blood and black blood you should be able to call yourself which ever color you want.... you are both and which one you lean too.. is your business..... as long as you don't deny where you came from
3rdThawkins : I'm not, but I have to find myself first, there are a lot of questions and I would liek to have answers
AYWalton : 3rdThawkins, what is your family history---is your family lineage one that is multi-racial?
3rdThawkins : Sadonya, do I really have white blood, or just descended from a white person? I mean, I am descended from an Native American, does that make me Indian?
evanco : 3rdThawkins, you are not lost so you do not have find yourself, because you have been there all of the time...
3rdThawkins : AYWalton, yes, pretty much
Sadonya : yes you have the blood of all your ancestors
AYWalton : do you live within one particular cultural context?
evanco : 3rdThawkins, they are all in my family too:Germans, Irish, Native American, African, and maybe some others I do not know. Yet, I am ME!
3rdThawkins : paternal grandfather is mixed AA and NA, grandmother part Irish part AA (I believe), my mother is black.....yes, I live with my mother who is AA
AYWalton : did you grow up in one particular culture more than others?
3rdThawkins : either way, if I lived with my mother or father, I would have lived around African Americans..........yes I did but it was hard not being accepted by other black kids
AYWalton : nothing wrong with any of your cultural ties. Find your level of comfort, be true to your own feelings, and don't compromise your own sense of self.
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins your cultural inflence is AA but you are all those cultures
AYWalton : Children are often not kind even among one single culture.
In fact, children can be painfully cruel. The home is most important, that is where you find your peace and get your guidance are you pursuing your family history at this point?
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins and if you had lived 40 years ago you would have been more accpeted being light skinned and given special privillages
3rdThawkins : yeah, that was hard, that's one thing I wish my dad was here, my brothers, even the one who has the same father as me, was black, I was the only light skin kid around
3rdThawkins : AYWalton, yes
AYWalton : where did you grow up, 3rdThawkins? What city/town?
3rdThawkins : butg meeting me sister this past August and talking with her was great, she was very tan brown and experienced similiar situations that I did, so it was great talking to her and knowing she went through the same things AYWalton Wash, D.C., Tulsa, OK
AYWalton : DC? That is a pretty diverse city. And Tulsa--well they are all over the place.
In Tulsa everybody wants to be Cherokee or Creek, and most of the black folks have ties to the Cherokee Freedmen.
3rdThawkins : yeah, one kid in elementery in D.C. called out to me "Hey White Boy!!"
AYWalton : Don't worry yourself with silly folks who are lost---they were often speaking from their own feelings of being inadequate or maybe feeling threatened. do you still live in Oklahoma?
3rdThawkins : that's cool, it's been a long time ago, I'm not worrying about that.......no I don't I'm in TN right now
AYWalton : OH ok.
Sadonya : not to far from me but wont sa where
AYWalton : I see.There is supposed to be a big conference in Tennessee next year.
I think it is the NGS conference for 2010.
3rdThawkins : oh yeah, I do remember you are in TN also
Sadonya : really where
AYWalton : in Knoxville, I think.
Sadonya : wonderful close enough for me to go
I don't think I going to make Ft Wayne would cost me too much money
AYWalton : there is a free all day seminar on Afr. Am. genealogy in Raleigh in May.
Sadonya : I would rather go to DC get a few more pension files
Sadonya : this year?
AYWalton : that looks to be an interesting event in Ft. Wayne, Sadonya.
First international summit in history.could be worthwhile.
did you submit a proposal to present?
Sadonya : no
AYWalton : well your research in Elbert County GA, for example.
you have done a great job with that.
Plus you could also present a workshop for professional genealogists.
seriously, it's true.I am anxious to see what their schedule will look like.
Jay : Are you presenting, Angela?
AYWalton : I am waiting to find out if my proposals were accepted. They will notify submitters this month.
Jay : Oh, I see: I'm sure you'll be successful. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone. Hopefully, as many people as possible will make it.
AYWalton : This promises to be one of the largest gatherings of genealogists ever brought together. I hope so.
seraph1959 : Site says by March 28th
AYWalton : so in a couple of weeks we will know. I guess that is when they will put up a prelimary schedule.
3rdThawkins : I don't know if I mentioned to you guys, I know I did to lunchbunchers....I'm using peoplefinder sites to determine DOBs for my aunts and uncles
AYWalton : Anyone going to NGS in May?
3rdThawkins, what era or what years were they living?
Jay : I was just saying earlier that I'd better go ahead and officially request the days off from work before something unforeseeable hits the schedule.
AYWalton : that sound like a plan for sure.
3rdThawkins : they are still living only one have passed just recently
AYWalton : Oops I just realized the time. I have to make a call.
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins its great if you sure you have the right person
I use it all the time
AYWalton : Sorry to leave so quickly everyone.Good night to all.
3rdThawkins : Sadonya, oh yes, I know all of their names, first/middle/last, found my grandparents obit, I used it to search peple finder sites to determine age and thereforfe year born, I used zabasearch to find birth months for some, so know I'm looking for DOBs know-now
Jay : sonofedd, would you consider reaching out to them?
Sadonya : I use all of those someimes the dates are not accurate
3rdThawkins : I talked to one, and she explained that they do not talk to each other and everyone lives with their own families and their own life, and no one knows anythings....I am not gonig to mess with them, as my aunt said, I';m going to leave people alone
Jay : Okay, I see.
3rdThawkins : Sadonya, yes, believe me, the ages are correct, and they change the same exact day as the person's birthday
Sadonya : thats great
3rdThawkins you have a difficult situation but in every family you have someone that will talk .. you just go to find that one
3rdThawkins : yes Sadonya, my aunt talked, but she did not know a lot, she gave me little, that's all she knew, and I doubt that my other aunts and uncles would know anymore than her
Sadonya : you have to talk to each family
thats what I do.. I have a lot of disconnected family for reasons similar but not like yours
3rdThawkins : but in this family, you have to watch who you talk to, not everyone will receive you, there's such people as "cool aunt" and "cool uncle"
Sadonya : a good way to get folks to talk is to talk about nothing that leads to something
works for me every time
3rdThawkins : they have to first even want to talk Sadonya
Jay : I'd better get going. I had just gotten in from work when I signed on. Good speaking with all of you good people ALL of the time, even sight unseen. :-) Happy Birthday Seraph!!! :-) Have a great night all!
Sadonya : I called a lady (a stranger) she said to me I do not know you so I am not going to tell you anything.. but before I got off the phone with this lady she had given me an ear full seraph1959 didn't know it was your birthday.. . Happy Birthday
3rdThawkins : my next best person is the aunt who spent the longest around my grandparents, but I cannot get in contact with her...she lived around them until they passed. happy B-DAy Seraph
seraph1959 : thanks Sadonya and 3rdThawkins yes its the big 50 :-)
3rdThawkins : wow! the golden age
seraph1959 : rofl guess I have to act like an adult now :-)
STG : says who lol
Sadonya : seraph1959 did you throw yourself a party I'm with nSTG
seraph1959 : Not today party will be later this month , during spring break
Sadonya : I had a 50 party wanted to have a double nickle party but my grandddaughter was born that day so I got a bigger gift instead
STG : awwww
Sadonya : there you go
seraph1959 : Took the day off , had to get new tires for my car ...life goes on LOL
3rdThawkins : what better gift is there than that??
Sadonya : lol
yeah 3rdThawkins a grandchild born on my birthday and that kid is a mess
too much like her grandma
3rdThawkins : I was almost born on my oldest brother's birthday, just one day before his
Sadonya : I was born 2 days before my mothers birthday and my daughter was born one day after mine and my granddaughter on my birthday
3rdThawkins : wow, interesting.......
STG : no excuse for forgetting lol
Sadonya : for sure
seraph1959 : One brother born on my mom's birthday
3rdThawkins : I know, right STG lol
STG : I barely keep up with birthdays
3rdThawkins : four of my brothers have birthdays in Jan, one for every week lol
STG : I'm just gonna say Happy New Year and happ birthday!
Sadonya : yeah but my husband could never remember if my birthday was the 19th or the 20th for 20 years
STG : that'll get them all at least he tried
Sadonya : but better not forget his..... hummmmmm
93rdThawkins : my sister, the one I met this past August, she said she was almost born on my birthday, but she was a late baby she she was born sixteen days after me
Sadonya : wow
she younger than you?
3rdThawkins : no, older, my dad had two other kids before my brother and me
Sadonya : okay
seraph1959 : Night folks this "old lady" is tired LOL happy ancestor hunting
STG : nite
3rdThawkins : ok seraph
Sadonya : STG you have not had a lot to say tonight... did you have something you wanted to talk about?
STG : no I just come in to listen :d
3rdThawkins : STG is always queit, she's quiet at lunch, she's quiet on Sat night, she's just a Small Town Quiet Girl lol
Sadonya : well so am I
STG : it's the quiet ones ya gotta watch out for LOL
3rdThawkins : yeah, you're right.......
Sadonya : now don't feed into that myth
when I was young they use to say... you got to watch the quiet ones they sneaky
STG : well maybe it's just me
Sadonya : I hate when they said that I aint sneaky..... I'm gonna do what I do
STG : people tend to overlook us and forget we're there so you get the juice sometimes
Sadonya : STG true
3rdThawkins : yeah, but sometimes the people who aren't quiet don't wanna feel like they're leaving anyone out......I'm quiet in person, but I try not to be, that's something I really want to work on, being more out going and talking more, especially around family and and important, serious moments
STG : I totally enjoy sitting back and observing people as opposed to talking to them
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins as you get older that skill grows what brought me out is this
I went to get my car fixed, I sat on a couch being invisible like I always felt I was... a man came in... walked all around the place a couple of times... then sat by me and proceeded to tell me his lifes story did want me to respond just listennI determined he pegged me as someone that would listen and not talk 3rdThawkins just observe people and look like you are in deep thought you will be surprised what people will tell you
3rdThawkins : well, mine is different, it's just the way I've been treated tht made me less likely to talk and tell how I feel, I need to be more talkative, don't want to miss out on the conversation and what's going on....it's something I have to work on and come out o
Sadonya : 3rdThawkins thats good but listen more than you talk.. you learn more that way
3rdThawkins : it's not about being observant, it's more fading in the background and being into myself and in my own world, but I can't do that I have to be involved in what's going on more of being intimidated by others
Sadonya : yeah I hear you and you would be surprised that even if you into yourself.... if you around people they think you are into them .. .listen long enough to give some intelliegent response and keep them talking I use to be like that then I learn aint nobody better than me.. .I am just as important .. and it aint important that people know what I think but don't push me I might tell you
3rdThawkins : well Sadonya, it was a great discussion, I will catch up with you next time, good nite...
Sadonya : good night have a good week
3rdThawkins : you too
2009-03-10 23:05:55 [Disconnect] Sadonya
Tuesday Night Chat
AfriGeneS Meeting Center
Tuesday Night Chat
AfriGeneS Meeting Center